The context is my replying to a pair of posts from Bartholomeus Crane, who is one of Failheap's most notorious CSM-bashers. In the midst of one such post dismissing CSM6 as nothing more than CCP cheerleaders, he wrote, among other things:
But so does CCP, who also read this forum (and Jester's blog. Apparently it is the most read blog at CCP at this moment. Well done Jester. Aren't you glad you didn't get into this CSM? You've got more of an influence outside it! And you can write whatever the hell you like as well!).Here is my response to Barth, which I present without additional comment:
Those two thoughts have occurred to me, yes.
With re: your main points... I read all of your posts from cover to cover Barth, but it's hard to actually agree with any of them. You're far too hard on the CSM, I think. I'll limit myself to one example, the big one, how close CSM6 has gotten to CCP.
Trebor and Mynxee might disagree with me here, but it's hard today to recall how many of CCP's development teams CSM5 managed to isolate themselves from and piss off. The Incarna team wouldn't talk to them at all, and they weren't alone. Every team in CCP could be measured based on how much or how little they were willing to interact with the CSM, some teams voting "not at all", some of them "somewhat", and only a very few were enthusiastic CSM supporters... and most of those teams were not what you would call high-impact within CCP (one was QA, for instance).
As many fireballs as I throw at CCP and the CSM in my blog sometimes, in my RL job, I'm a professional negotiator. In that capacity, I can tell you that it's damned hard to influence someone who won't even talk to you or dismisses your importance before they even come in the door. The Open Letter that CSM5 published right before they headed out the door did not help. I ticked off a number of my CSM5 friends when I blogged that the Letter had done major damage to the CCP/CSM relationship and had actively made CSM6's job harder.
When I was running for CSM6 myself, one of my major platforms was using my professional experience to re-open some of those closed doors. I said that if that's what it took, I'd buy many CCP devs and leads many many alcoholic beverages after hours to make that happen. Now Mittens and I have a lot of differences, but even you cannot now deny that his version of the same thing has been wildly successful. Hell, from your stand-point, it's apparently been too successful. Fine, you have the right to complain about that.
But the simple truth is that CSM6 has been successful in opening a ton of doors. A few of those doors are still closed, but not many. As player advocates, the CSM has much more access today than they had a year or 18 months ago. And no, I'm not one of those that gives the CSM credit for what the Summer of Rage and the associated player unsubs did to CCP. But the CSM was in the right place, with the right personality, to take advantage of it when CCP started to open up. CSM7's job will be easier because of it.
All in all, you seem to prefer a no-access CSM to what we've got today, and that's just silly.