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I'm your host, Jester. I've been an EVE Online player for about six years. One of my four mains is Ripard Teg, pictured at left. Sadly, I've succumbed to "bittervet" disease, but I'm wandering the New Eden landscape (and from time to time, the MMO landscape) in search of a cure.
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Thursday, February 2, 2012

Grind

So, for various reasons, I'm trying to increase my standings with one of the Empire factions, and there wasn't much going on in Rote tonight (note to CCP: most of them were playing Tanks).  So I grinded up some solo missions for about an hour and a half.  And while I was doing it, I listened to "Beers with Bolton".  I don't listen to a lot of pod-casts, but I was pointed to this one because Michael Bolton would be interviewing three people I am interested in: CCP Soundwave, The Mittani, and White Tree.  Call it the first interview of the CSM7 election season.

So, I sat down and listened while I grinded, because God knows the missions themselves didn't exactly require my attention.  The podcast is actually a "video" because Bolton intended for all four principals to use webcams.  Unfortunately, only Bolton had a webcam, so the other three are represented by (rather amusing) stock photographs.

The total length of the presentation is about 95 minutes, and here are the topics of interest in the first two parts:
  • Soundwave thinks the idea that "Provi is shit, so CVA can have it" and the larger implication that there should be shit space for smaller alliances to hold is awesome.  I have not the words.
  • White Tree is not running for CSM7.  (I've updated my CSM6 Incumbents post to reflect this.)

Yep, that's pretty much it.  More interesting stuff starts in part 3 of the video:
  • Soundwave and other CCP employees, some Sony employees, and other "selected people" can now access DUST 514 from their Playstations at home, rather than having to play-test it at the office.  The CSM has not yet played DUST 514.  (I knew this last one from Two Step mentioning it on Twitter.)
  • DUST characters and vehicles, including the ground troops, are fit just like EVE spaceships.  You also start with a certain number of better assault rifles, but once you lose all of them (in battles), you can either buy new stuff, or there is "a newbie frig-like setup that you can always access."
  • In all other ways, DUST is "like EVE as an FPS."
  • The interaction between DUST and EVE "will be vague for a little while", but Soundwave thinks it will be a topic of interest for the next CSM and at Fanfest.
  • Soundwave says he's been playing EVE, living in a wormhole for the last six to eight months.

In part 4, I learned:
  • According to The Mittani, Prometheus Exanthal ignored the CSM for the first six months of the term, and only started "tuning in" very recently.  That confirms my impression of him.
  • It's not a good idea to run an interview while drinking heavily.  You might have to use the restroom immediately after asking a question, and the interviewees might decide to ignore the question.
  • Michael Bolton is running within TEST to be their official candidate for CSM7.
  • Soundwave is leaning toward just negating the moon rebalancing factor by turning them into a resource that people can mine for.
  • The Mittani, to my extreme aggravation, then cuts Soundwave off and starts talking about his ideas for moon rebalancing for literally six times as long as Soundwave gets on the topic.

Then, just as part five begins, Mittens bemoans the fact that wars no longer happen because of "rage and hate" and implies that holding more than a single region of sov is pointless (other than the region's tech moons, I assume).  The statement that wars no longer happen because of rage and hate, and instead happen because of resources would seem to directly contradict the statement "the CSM" made about this topic at the December Summit.  Maybe Mittens changed his mind.

Then finally, finally, also in part five, Soundwave gets to speak for two whole minutes without being interrupted.  Yay!  In that short period of time, he says:
  • The summer patch is going to focus on "fundamentals" and "old systems that are hampering us."
  • He emphasizes that the war-dec system is going to be redone, particularly as it applies to Empire war-decs.
  • Faction Warfare is going to receive a massive rework.
  • CCP is going to build in more tools for alliances to "make money off their members."
  • Then they're going to "get rid of the massive 'own this moon and you're set forever'" system.
  • They're going to look for ways to foster animosity between null-sec alliances, hopefully breaking the NAP-fest in null.
  • Instead of trying to foster conflict through resources, they're going to try to foster conflict through social means.
But then just as he gets on a roll, he gets cut off again!  Damn it!

Later on, Soundwave mentions that he'd like POSs in EVE to be more like "houses in Skyrim": a place that you live and that's yours and set up how you like and that every EVE player should want one of.  And that's a damn good idea, IMO.  He also acknowledges that if they start to do something and they find that the majority of players don't like it, CCP has come to the realization that it's probably a bad idea.

And despite the fact it goes on for another 30 minutes after that, that was pretty much it.  Well, other than one thing: if you're a creepy guy sending CCP Punkturis unsolicited gifts and messages, please stop.  It just reinforces the gamer stereotype, and reading between the lines, this has apparently become a source of concern at CCP.

Thanks to Michael Bolton for running this, but dude: next time you have CCP Soundwave on, get him to talk.  As a result, overall, it's probably not worth your time to actually listen to this.  Well, unless you have some missions to grind yourself, I guess.

43 comments:

  1. Creepy guy probably thinks (s)he is being terribly romantic. Don't qualify the statement. Just omit "a creepy guy".

    Trust me, the anonymous admirer never believes they are creepy until the police and the judge tell them so.

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  2. And what standings are you grinding?

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    1. Amarr. I probably need to just take a couple of weeks away from 0.0 and learn how to run the COSMOS missions for them (and in the process, who knows, maybe write a guide), but I'm having too much fun to disconnect from null right now.

      That means onesie-twosie missions as I have a free day.

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    2. Feel free to look me up in game, I'll be on for a large period of the weekend and can hook you up with some level 3 or 4 agents (Carthum Conglomerate, specifically). Just don't be KOS in Amarr space and we'll get along fine :)

      As for a guide, try DeMichael Crimson's Faction Standing Repair Plan. No need to do everything yourself, there are other competent people out there in the universe ;) http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan

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  3. Please tell me that's a joke and EVE players (beyond the couple of psychotic oddballs) aren't actually sending Punktaris gifts. What the fuck is wrong with people?

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    1. Not a joke, I'm afraid. There's some discussion during this interview about the presents and messages that have been sent to her.

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    2. Was Bolton and the Mittani really surprised/concerned/disappointed by creepers being creepy towards a woman? Honestly? Haven't they ever visited their alliances own forums?

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    3. It is going to be a sad day in the Mittani's head one day when he wakes up and realises he is actually not as important as he thinks he is. I don't understand the rambling that comes from him when actualy head developers are trying to explain the ideas they are toying with. Especially seeing he gets one on one time to rant on their private CSM skype thingy.

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    4. It's the couple of psychotic oddballs that are the PROBLEM, here.

      TBH the only way they'll have a chance to really get people doing this to even realize it may be a problem is to just post right on the front of the eve page to stop doing so lest she get restraining orders. Sad but unfortunately true, really. :|

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    5. "It is going to be a sad day in the Mittani's head one day when he wakes up and realises he is actually not as important as he thinks he is."

      It's going to be a sad day for a lot of people when they wake up and realize the Mittani is as important as he thinks is is.

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  4. Is there any way to listen to just Soundwave's segments of this interview without the other parts? Ninety-five minutes is incredibly long to wait for just a few minutes of actual, relevant information.

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  5. I believe I previously mentioned she was a bit of a flirt?

    and that you asked "why is that a bad thing?".

    And lo!

    I must be a master of understanding human nature. :P

    More seriously. It is sad, she has my sympathy.

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    1. Only a few details are provided, but apparently the response is going too far. It IS mentioned that Punkturis can hold her own in person and will mercilessly and continuously humiliate anyone she feels is being anti-social.

      Which might make things worse if one of her stalkers is pushed to a tipping point when their hero starts *destroying* them in public.

      It's a tiny bit scary.

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    2. Punkturis is a very pretty woman that can likely bench press a good portion of EVE's male population. She's an honorary bro.

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    3. Sometimes I can be a bit anti-social. Do I have to worry about her continually attacking me? Even with me not understanding why it is happening?

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  6. Why do you have no words? I agree 100% with soundwaves statement.

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    1. Space that is so bad that a big alliance won't want it, will be of negative utility to a small alliance. If there was any utility in having that space (good rats, good minerals, whatever), the big alliance would be there already, or at least would be there shortly to kerb-stomp the small alliance.

      It will cost the small alliance more ISK to claim that space than the space could possibly be worth: thus, why would they claim it rather than simply pillaging from whoever currently owns it?

      Those are the words that shouldn't need to be said. What remains to describe the lack of foresight and naiveté about alliances and sovereignty, is nothing.

      There are no words to describe the paucity of intellect required for someone to assume that space so bad that a big alliance turns its nose up, would somehow be attractive to a small alliance. One can attempt to describe the situation using words like "stupid" and "idiot", but those are disrespectful while simultaneously being insufficient to describe the horror.

      Even assuming there was some way to engineer the mechanics such that a small alliance could eke out a living while a larger alliance couldn't, all that would happen is that the large alliance's pets move in, with small alliances who don't have server-crushing fleets of super capitals being pushed out by the big alliances who do.

      That this sentiment is being expressed by someone who wants to change the balance of null sec is disappointing. I certainly wouldn't want such a person fiddling with important stuff like POSes or faction warfare.

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  7. God Mittens, STFU every once in a while you self important blowhard.

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  8. God ... I hope they do t screw up war secs more then they all ready are. IMO its poor game design to force people to engage in a style of play that they don't want to. With the current system people readily avoid war deca because they don't want to engage in wars. Instead of patching the holes and preventing people from avoiding the wars, ccp shoul incentives war decs .. .. Make it so it is desirable to engage in war. To do this ccp should bring to empire small pieces of the sov system. Allow corps to own things in empire and wars will naturally follow because corps will not want to lose those things.

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    1. 'IMO its poor game design to force people to engage in a style of play that they don't want to.'

      Other people feel its poor game design to allow people to ignore the primary point of the game, and Eve IS a pure pvp game. When I started they defined everything except mission running as pvp, and due to ninjalooters even that was still a pvp scenario, because you are ALWAYS up against other players.

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  9. Can we buy a captains quarters module to add to our pos?. That way we will have a place to really call home and customize.

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    1. This idea was briefly brought up, that the CQs should be moved to POSs.

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  10. "He emphasizes that the war-dec system is going to be redone, particularly as it applies to Empire war-decs.

    Faction Warfare is going to receive a massive rework."

    This seriously worries me, not because it isn't needed, but because they are doing it without out feedback.

    I'd rather see a devblog with their high level design's intents so that we can bring something to the discussion before too much dev resources are put into this.

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  11. In regards to the provi point and your reaction: Jester do you really think having weaker space that less ~strategically powerful~ can live in is a bad thing? How long do you think Syndicate could remain a small gang wonderland if it was as valuable as Deklein or Venal?

    I like the fact that space like Provi and Syndicate is relatively crap, although I also think the big buff they got from the creation of anoms was a good thing. Amoms brought them closer to the correct balance as regions that people can make a living in without causing them to always be occupied by superpowers.

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    1. You make an excellent point, but for those small alliances that WANT sov, the jump from "we live in NPC 0.0" to "we hold one constellation in Catch" is currently *enormous*. The fact the one constellation is worthless just adds insult to injury, given the amount of pain you have to go through to get it.

      Which is why most small corps/alliances that want sov just align themselves with the blob instead.

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  12. To be honest punkturis was there happily unmolested for some time before CCP started showing her off. I guarantee before she appeared on any videos or blogs that someone told her "are you sure you want to agree to this, you will get creeps" and she said "OK". And she could back into the shadows again if she was too uncomfortable. Did Stevie not get the same thing? It happens across all of media, to handsome men also, your face goes out there and you get weirdery back. I daresay the gifts from the EVE creeps are more fully grimed with grease and cheeto dust though. In fact it happens in EVE itself, or WoW or Halo or any game, if anyone believes you're female. Not always unwelcome either; just ask Mintchip how she spent her creepy billions. Anyway my condolences to punkturis, perhaps she can do her next video appearance silhouetted with a voice mod, or get one of the bearded bears from customer relations to appear with her voice dubbed over.

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  13. "Soundwave thinks the idea that "Provi is shit, so CVA can have it" and the larger implication that there should be shit space for smaller alliances to hold is awesome. I have not the words."

    Could you elaborate on your thoughts on this? I assume the implication is that you think this is self evidently a terrible idea, but I'd like to hear your reasons.

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    1. Briefly: it strongly encourages small alliances and corps to join blobs with good space instead of paying to hold shit space themselves. As sov currently stands, it's unlikely a small alliance can make enough ISK off their shit sov space to even pay the sov bills, so they have to want to have sov for some non-sov-related reason.

      Like role-playing.

      Soundwave apparently doesn't see this.

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  14. God bless you for grinding through this. I am curious. Did soundwave elaborate on his time in w-space or was it something mentioned in passing?

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    1. Just mentioned in passing. He's not allowed to say what his character name is or what corp he's in. He didn't even say if it was a casual or serious w-space corp.

      Come to think of it, he DID mention that he plays in spurts, though: continuously for a week or two, then not at all for a week or two, repeat.

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  15. Thanks for the great summary, Jester!

    I skimmed through the podcast (As an empire pilot there's only so much of hearing The Mittani yelling over the other guests about Moon Goo that I can take before I want to take a drill to my head).

    Anyways, I was hoping you could save me some hunting and pecking, did Soundwave actually outline WHAT the Faction Warfare changes were going to be? Or just "that we're working on it". I wasn't able to locate any specifics, maybe you can point me in the right direction within the podcast....

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    1. Nope, he didn't have time to really elaborate on anything he brought up and *nobody* asked him about the topics (grrr). He literally went through those seven or eight points I brought up, machine-gun-style, with maybe 15 seconds devoted to each.

      If you want to listen to it yourself, it's about two minutes into part five.

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  16. "wars no longer happen because of "rage and hate"" I was actually thinking about this last weekend, and frankly I think it's one of the many problem 0.0 has right now (incidentally the other being alliances get their income too easily.. different post).

    So lets say wars are about "rage and Hate'. O.k. so then how do you get new blood into 0.0 then. I mean one of the main reasons I see for new people not going into 0.0 (and part of the reasons I don't) is frankly why the hell should the care about your war? Why would a new 2010 player suddenly hold a grudge over something that happened on a forum in 2007?

    Unless a player comes from an outside community (like Goons, Test, or Russians do) and have an in game community identity from the start, a new pilot pretty much is left with just randomly picking a side it seems.If anyone has ever "discovered" a sport in their adulthood, one of the hardest things to overcome in watching it is the "who do you route for?" problem.(This is why I'm a Newcastle fan...and thus why I don't really watch what the rest of the world call Football anymore, I picked a team randomly, O.k. after a beer, to route for and kinda got burned by it). And can you really build up "rage and hate" over something so random as your first corp? I know as I have looked at 0.0 corps the number one thing that keeps hitting me is, I just don't care about your war. You hate some people because of something I wasn't involved in, or it's a personal grudge between two alliance leaders neither of whom I have ever met. How is this good for the long term health of the game?

    I think what CCP should really be doing is getting new players to move into, and view parts of 0.0 as their "home" first. Settle a place, put time into it, make friends first, then when some dicks from the next region comes in to take it away they will take that personally. But no one does that because the alliances are now just the new corps and people just move with them never attaching themselves to and "space". And it would seem CCP wants to make that even more prevalent with easier alliance income.

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  17. Yeah I am actually a bitter vet of being a creepy guy. It didnt work out so well and got tired of the effort I was giving too much and eventual got worn and burned out by it.

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    1. Now you just hot drop?

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    2. Of course, if a girl is just gonna go out and be easy prey, even with me being worn out, I will hot drop in on her.

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  18. Just an update for the community at large from your neighbourhood TESTie.

    Thankfully, despite our track record of electing terrible CSMs, MichaelBoltonIII (MB3)was defeated in our internal polls and debates and his adorable but insufferable personality will not be gracing the CSM.

    Of the two candidates we do have that are still in the running, both are serious candidates and better still-- they are not White Tree.

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  19. How about if 0.0 space were made more dynamic by incorporating cellular automaton, i.e. Jack Conway's Game of Life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life

    A set of simple rules revolving around the activity level of players in surrounding systems would provide enough incentive for systems to swing in and out of a productive state, prompting invasions.

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  20. Can we send CCP soundwave unsolicited gifts? Or is that more of the creepy guy no one likes?

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  21. Perhaps Soundwave needs to focus more on the "not worth taking" as opposed to "not worth having". I've spurted on at great length on the forums about the benefits of being able to restrict or expand stargates: give alliances the ability to literally pull up the drawbridge (or alternately, turn their systems into galactic superhighways a la Perimiter–Jita.

    But I keep getting poo-pooed because that would be taking a dump in large fleet warfare's cereal. Which to me is the whole point.

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  22. Hopefully Soundwave will eventually learn to not get alpha-rolled anymore by that pretentious Italian shyster and his retarded followers.

    BTW, it really IS OK for Provi to suck. What is NOT OK is for other regions to be so much more "win".

    Also please guys, stop the damn white knighting for some half cute Dev tucked safely away on an island at the end of the fricken world..

    Greetings to Jester from an 8+years bittervet on EXTENDED hiatus, but dude there´s so much better things to waste your time on than grinding Amarr standing.
    Hint: Trek Online is free now.

    But I know I´m talking to walls here. :P

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  23. You want Bolton let SOMEONE else talk? I take it you haven't had many dealings with him. His ego dwarfs Mittens by many orders of magnitude and he has far less accomplishments to brag about(none actually.. he did the TEST presentation and lead some structure shoots and after that.. not a hell of a lot.)

    If you want news, I would suggest getting it somewhere else than MBIII.

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