As a somewhat prolific scammer, the GTC rule is a very clear and important one to abide by. The EULA forbids you to convince another player to spend real life cash for in game currency with the intent to scam (or take without their consent) it from them.I was told this or variations of this by at least a dozen people, some in game and some in anonymous comments here or on EVE News 24. Most of them immediately begged me not to use their in-character names or made it clear to me that they were sending me EVE mail or contacting me in-game from throw-away scam alts. ;-)
Before I go down this road one more time, I want to make it clear what my KOTW post on Friday was not about.
- All you people saying "Every time someone scams me, if I ever bought a PLEX, I'm going to..." Nope. My post wasn't about that. PLEXes are in-game items.
- All you people saying "Every time I buy a ship with PLEXes and I lose it in PvP, I'm going to petition it because..." Nope. My post wasn't about that, either. PLEXes are in-game items.
- All you people saying "We don't know what the laws in Iceland have to say about..." Nope. My post definitely wasn't about that.
- All you people saying "He was only trying to be helpful and show the guy how to fit his Hel..." Nope. My post definitely wasn't about that.
This is a right and wrong issue. It's a question of where the line is, and how far is too far.
Let me bring out one of my famous analogies. You tackle a Rorqual far from its support. The pilot offers a ransom and you are open to this. You decide that you want a cool billion. There are four ways you can demand your billion:
- "Give me one billion ISK."
- "Contract me two PLEXes."
- "Buy a GTC from Somer Blink and EVE mail me the confirmation code."
- "Send $35 U.S. to my Paypal account so I can buy a GTC."
Number four is clearly not OK. If you think number four is OK, get out of my gaming universe.
Number three is blurry. That's what my post was about. Real-life money gets involved at that point, which is an out-of-game item. The only question is exactly when and how that real-life money gets involved. Whether you agree with me or disagree with me on this topic, you have to admit that we're in an edge case here. It can tip either way and it's smart to just avoid the line if you can. I personally think number three is not OK.
Where are we on this issue? Somewhere between two and three, leaning toward three.
Enochia Starr has contacted me about this issue, and has been good enough to share with me all the logs of his conversations with his victim. I'm not going to share the contents of those logs because I do not have permission to do so. However, the logs make it clear that he worked alone on this. And the logs also make it reasonably clear that he never actually demanded his victim go out and spend RL money on this scam. However, the logs do show this, which I am fine with posting because Enochia has already shared this log in public.
[ 2012.04.08 16:28:38 ] Ochee > anyone have a good site to buy plex? :(That log makes it clear that Ochee is an alt of the victim. And there's Enochia right in the middle of it suggesting the victim buy GTCs from Somer Blink. The victim says that the money from these GTCs will be spent on Hel fittings. The very same Hel that dies exactly six hours later. The very same Hel fittings that, in the TS chat on the Youtube video(1), Enochia said were now his.
[ 2012.04.08 16:28:53 ] Keshiv > one cloaky transport ship kill would make it worthwhile
[ 2012.04.08 16:28:53 ] Anterous > iskbank
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:06 ] Enochia Starr > ^ dont buy from there you'll get banned
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:16 ] Keshiv > i'll bet they are carrying 75 pith a meds
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:17 ] Enochia Starr > go to somerblink, at least you can get blink credit :)
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:37 ] Ochee > trying to fit up my hel lol
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:51 ] Ochee > shattered crystal ran out of plex lol
[ 2012.04.08 16:29:54 ] Enochia Starr > how many damn characters you have lol
[ 2012.04.08 16:30:04 ] Ambedrake > hehe dont ask
The victim was given a deadline on an amount of ISK that it was "suggested" he spend on a proper combat fitting. There was only one way to meet that deadline, and it was made clear to Enochia exactly how the victim intended to pay for that combat fitting in order to meet that deadline. And instead of backing off, Enochia doubled down.
Whether you think he was being "helpful" about the fittings and where to buy GTCs with which to pay for those fittings, I leave to your opinion. Whether you think what he did was wrong or not, I also leave to your own opinion. Thank you to the anonymous commenter for your opinion, and thank you to all the other commenters as well! The discussion on this post has been really interesting. I also want to thank Enochia Starr for chatting with me, but... for myself, I still think you went too far.
(1) The Youtube video has been taken down, which is ironic. Euripodes showed some very good flying in it, and as far as I'm concerned, is 100% clear of all wrong-doing. The scam part of this was a one-man show, and the comments Euripodes associated with the Youtube video were, as one famous pirate has put it, "pirate tough talk." ;-)