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Monday, April 16, 2012

Quote of the Week: Selling EVE

A month ago, while on one of my windmill-tilting expeditions, I noted that Garmon and some friends had set up a website to display EVE PvP tutorial videos.  Before you could access the videos, you had to post your e-mail address.  I stated:
One can only assume that further videos will follow, but that those videos won't be so freely available.
Dear Heaven, did people bitch at me for saying that.  You'd think I was accusing Garmon of extortion (or fraud, I guess).  But I've been in business a long, long time.  It was easily predictable.  And sure enough, over the weekend the website converted to a subscription service.  $19 per month, or $200 for "lifetime access."  All of the videos were moved to the subscription area except two samples.(1)

To all of you people who called me names: phbbbbbbt.

Yes thanks, I feel better.  ;-)

Cough.  Anyway, the pay-only service immediately caught the attention of CCP, and CCP Guard posted this:
Selling anything that uses the EVE Intellectual Property for real life cash is against the rules. EVE related services can, however, be sold for ISK. I'm not going to comment on whether that will always be the case, but it is today. Just letting everyone know.
...and then locked the advertising thread.  And that's the quote of the week.  Nobody gets to sell anything EVE-related except CCP.  Oh, and bot programmers, of course.  ;-)

Anyway, this sure is an interesting step!  It will be doubly interesting to see how Garmon and Co. respond, and the next step CCP takes.  Presumably, CCP Guard has already sent Garmon EVE mails and or e-mails.  If he doesn't respond?  Cease and desist order against the website hosting provider?  That would seem to be the next logical step...  The members of Hydra Reloaded involved in this don't exactly need ISK, now do they?

Stay tuned!


(1) They're still pretty easy to access on the associated Youtube channel.  Maybe there are other videos not so easily accessible after you pay?  Dunno.  I didn't.

29 comments:

  1. I assumed CCP would react, in a way this is unsurprising. I didn't think they'd straight out ban the thing though. But I get why they did so.

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  2. I am with you 100% on this, I seen it coming as well, seems greed inside the game is also outside of the game. I did enjoy watching the videos but I sure wouldn't pay to watch someone play a game that I already play. Personally I would find it quite amusing if Garmon and Co. had to return the money and the person who won the Vangel/Malice didn't return ship.

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  3. Let's not forget the banhammer, please! Garmon and Co. are in clear and obvious violation of the EULA.

    BTW - it is not true that "nobody gets to sell anything EVE-related except CCP". CCP is a business and is open to making licensing deals, assuming, ofc, that they are contacted *prior* to actually trying to sell something.

    I believe that the authors of the EVE-related books made some sort of agreement with CCP.

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    1. The copyright for all three EVE books is held by CCP (you can check this by searching inside the books on Amazon if you don't have copies handy). These books were presumably works for hire created by CCP employees or contractors who were working under CCP's purview. Very different situation from Garmon & Co.'s.

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  4. registered as soon as the new website launched and literally said 'wtf' when i saw the subscribe part

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  5. Hey, Jester, when are you going to get back to talking about ships, player guides and all of that sort of stuff? That's what originally drew me to your blog and it is damn good stuff.

    I know that exposing the lastest and greatest player stupidity provides endless blogging opportunities, but are you actually getting to play the game these days? :)

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    1. You mean stuff like bait Hulks, specialty Cormorants, new modules, what meta mods should be used on expensive ships, and triage carriers? ;-)

      I assure you I've been bouncing back and forth between EVE drama and spaceship stuff pretty frequently the last ten days.

      That said, I expect my next player guide will be done before April is, though it's the next part of the Moving to Null-sec guide rather than anything new. Next new new guide will probably be on carrier-supported ratting.

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  6. I was quite surprised when i looked at it the other day.
    I got the email saying that if i registered in 24 hours i would get access to the extra dual thorax video etc.
    Went to the website, and was shocked. They are effectively wanting us to pay more than an eve subscription to watch their videos, obviously, theyve got something very wrong there

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  7. Yup, saw CCP's response to this a long way off.

    I'll stick to pointing people to Kil2's videos.

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  8. :D So Garmon is into RMT now then... hahah

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  9. All companies proclaim their absolute sovereignty to monetise their IP. However; many of them tolerate people making money from it - for example the entire youtube 'commentary' gig.

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  10. There are similar instructional pvp web sites for wow flourishing all over.
    It will be weird if ccp will dissalow this.

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  11. Trololol, are you freaking kidding me, 19$/month and 200$ "for life"? What if "life" is 3 months, Garmon gets an epiphany after cashing in on 10 grand (50 "lifetime" subs)?

    Still, this subscription would cost more than the subscription for EvE Online, which is dumb/stupid/retarded/.

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  12. I've been following this eve is easy thing for a while

    First of all, I think their current business model will only work in the short term, but it's a damn great way to get capital, if I was to guess, they're going to use that capital to turn their website into something like skill-capped.com, where the company pays loads of contributors to make videos for them, and the public gets access for $5 a month, much easier to please 100+ guys with your own videos than 1000+ I think

    Also if they covered their asses properly their website should be hosted in the US, http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138161

    "Without the appropriate license from the publisher, use of video game or software user interface must be minimal. Video game content may be monetized if the associated step-by-step commentary is strictly tied to the live action being shown and provides instructional or educational value"

    Skill-capped went through something very similar with blizzard and they won

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  13. From the CCP perspective, how can they differentiate between a subscription site and a site funded by ad revenue?

    Both provide Eve info, both get paid for it. Where the money comes from would seem to be irrelevant to their position.

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    1. I hope this wasn't seriously being asked but encase,

      1.) go to site, 2.) attempt to register, 3.) fee mentioned or charged? If yes it's a subscription site, if no it is not a subscription site.

      Ad revenue is fine, as they are not making money from CCP's property, unless they are (ie it's a RMT site or such) in which case they have a case, but most google adds aren't selling CCP's IP.

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  14. The only thing surprising about this whole thing was the price! You gotta be kidding me, more to watch their videos then the actual game subscription.

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  15. Good move on CCPs part... I stumbled onto one of Garmon's "advertisements" disguised as a PVP video on youtube last night- and when it got past the teaser part of the video and started pandering for my money, I wanted to throw up.

    I'm not saying that Garmon shouldn't be using his knowledge and talent for the best benefit he can get out of it, but something about paying realworld money for it seems dirty- especially at the cost him and his associates are suggesting...some players in the game will happily teach you that kind of stuff for free, especially if you are in their corp or alliance.

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  16. Yea I remember nearly falling out of my chair laughing when I saw the prices. Cool reference but honestly the videos were not high enough quality to even be worth 5 a month.

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  17. CCP had monocle gate with their ridiculously priced monocle, what shall we call this embarrassment? Garmon Gate? Hydra Gate?

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    1. garmongate, right after garmonsploit. Seems someone is really begging to be banned.

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  18. I thought that CCP was going to sell a license for $99 for people to do EXACTLY this. What ever happened to that? Something that you should look into perhaps?

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  19. Literally laughed out loud when I saw the link to the YouTube account. The same thought crossed my mind but I hadn't tracked it down. You hit the nail on the head with this one, Jester.

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  20. Hydra are slime and always will be.

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  21. Who are they selling it to?

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  22. The ultimate scam: real money.

    'ultimate' may or may not have more than one meaning.

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  23. Uh, swift about face by Garmon and his pals!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmZ90qoRzk&feature=g-all-u&context=G2dffeb2FAAAAAAAAAAA

    Explanation is at the start of that video. Atleast they know when they're ripping us off. 5 dollars or 400mil a month? That's much more reasonable imo

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    1. "we should of been much more open with everyone"

      If EIE had done that, then their venture would of been aborted before it even got launched.

      5 bucks a month is still going to get them in hot water with CCP Games.

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