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I'm your host, Jester. I've been an EVE Online player for about six years. One of my four mains is Ripard Teg, pictured at left. Sadly, I've succumbed to "bittervet" disease, but I'm wandering the New Eden landscape (and from time to time, the MMO landscape) in search of a cure.
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Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Fit of the Week: Beagle

In honor of the ship I died in tonight, let's use that as the FOTW:

[Eagle, Ion Beagle]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


A month ago, CCP Diagoras tweeted about the number of final blows scored by HACs in April.  The top six between them scored just under 7500 final blows.  Everyone knows what a big fan of the Eagle I am.  Fully expecting that the Eagle had the fewest final blows, I asked Diagoras how many the Eagle had scored.  His answer confirmed it:
@RipardTeg The other two: Cerberus 301, Eagle 47.

Well, one of Rote Kapelle's FCs decided to have a little fun with that stat and in Rote, May was declared "Eagle month".  Everyone who cared to was asked to fit out a blaster-fit Eagle and we were going to see if we could double the number of Eagle final blows from April to May.  Challenge accepted, in other words.  A lot of us grumbled a bit about the expense of buying a completely fail T2 ship, but in the spirit of having fun with it, we did it.

We took our first "Eagle roam" out on Monday and the problems started almost immediately.  People had all sorts of connection issues, people having problems tackling things... every sort of bad luck you can imagine on a roam.  It's like the ships we were flying were cursing us.  Still, we managed to snare and kill a Loki and a small number of other ships and pods that first night.  Eagle final blows were scored.

Our second Eagle roam tonight went about as well as the first.  We roamed in the direction of S-U to find a sizable fleet in space.  SEDITION and friends came at us with a shield BC fleet ably supported by multiple logi and an excellent Falcon pilot.  Forced into close brawling range, all six of our Eagles were wiped out.  The remaining two, as Veto ships, show up on their kill board.  As I've said before when talking about these terrible, terrible ships, every other HAC -- including plated armor HACs -- can out-run an Eagle.  We certainly had no prayer of out-running even the slowest shield BCs.  Good fight to SEDITION and friends!

But needless to say, I think Rote's "Eagle month" is over.

Anyway, if you want to blaster fit your Eagle, here's one way to do it.  Those low slots are pretty much de rigueur whether you're working with a blaster Eagle or a rail Eagle.  You pretty much must triple MagStab an Eagle to get acceptable DPS out of it.  After that, you've got a couple of choices.  A tankier version using Ion Blasters, or a less tanky version using Neutrons.  This is obviously the former, and is the fit that I died in.  The tank is a straight-forward mix of resists and buffer getting this Eagle to an un-boosted 55k EHP or so.  Pray that you don't have to MWD when you get shot at, though, because the massive MWD sig bloom combined with all of those shield rigs and the LSE will allow all but dreadnought guns full damage against you.

You'll absolutely need that NOS: as I've said before, the Eagle's capacitor is very, very sub-par and without that NOS you can be easily capped out by even a couple of medium neuts.

Void ammo is excellent and has become a staple of my blaster ships.  Featuring superior range and hitting power compared to anti-matter, I didn't have any tracking problems at all with it this week against various sizes of targets.  That said, I did consume a Synth Drop booster to nudge the odds in my favor.  A bit of Null and a bit of faction anti-matter round out the ammo selection, with the last mostly useful against fast cruisers and frigates where the extra 20% of tracking might do you some good.  You can and should also carry a Synth X-Instinct booster or better to fight the MWD sig bloom.

If you want to Neutron blaster fit this boat, then you'll have to drop one of the CDFEs for an Ancillary Current Router rig, and you'll have to downshift the medium NOS to a small one.  The fit, tactics, and weaknesses of the ship are otherwise identical.  You gain about 20% on your DPS, from 450 to 550, at the loss of 25% of your tank, from 55k EHP to 40k EHP.

Safe to say that I won't be flying either version of this boat again any time soon.  ;-)  If you do, though, die well!


All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.

10 comments:

  1. I have to say, I love your fit of the week articles. As a newbie in EVE its great to see ships and fittings I can work towards if I want to. Plus, it very interesting to read you justifying your choices. So err.. Keep up the good work! =)

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  2. I can't really see the point of using X-instinct in any form if MWD fitted. Even with the strong version, the sig is bigger than the resolution of all subcap weapon.

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  3. We've been flying deimos/oneiros gangs a bit, and decided to theorycraft an alternative eagle/scimi setup for giggles.

    With boosting loki + appropriate siege/armor links:
    Deimos (1600mm plate): 79k EHP, 1.98 km/s, 680 dps
    Beagle: 63k EHP, 1.76 km/s, 530 dps

    So. Bad.

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  4. Could you elaborate on exactly what the problems are? Is it the lowish speed, where you can't get in range to apply your dps? Too high sig? Short range? (although isn't that mitigated by the range bonuses?)

    Also seems to me this fleet composition really needs to have some logi support as your in a high resist/medium sized buffer setup.

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    1. I covered what I see as the problems with the Eagle and how I'd solve them at length in the link above tagged "As I've said before". It goes here:

      http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/12/thought-experiment-eagle.html

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  5. Here's a baller Arty Eagle. :v

    [Eagle, Arty Eagle]
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Gyrostabilizer II
    Reactor Control Unit II
    Reactor Control Unit II

    Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
    Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
    EM Ward Field II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
    720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    Only 4 fitting mods necessary!

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  6. You can't keep a good dog down!

    If you will commit to continue the Voyage of the Beagle I will replace your Eagle losses to date.

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  7. Ignoring the fact that the eagle is a rail platform? Everyone knows that caldari are either missile or rail ships.

    [Eagle, Sniper Eagle]
    Damage Control II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
    Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
    EM Ward Field II
    Large Shield Extender II
    Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

    250mm Railgun II, Spike M
    250mm Railgun II, Spike M
    250mm Railgun II, Spike M
    [empty high slot]
    250mm Railgun II, Spike M
    250mm Railgun II, Spike M

    Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

    207 dps w/ spike 140km optimal
    357 dps w/ cal navy antimatter 41km opt
    95k ehp w/ tengu boosts, 75k ehp w/ only a sqd commander and 5.6 second align time with sqd commander

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    1. it's funny because rail Eagles are also shit.

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    2. Well there is a difference between edible stuff(say super burnt toast) and the stuff that has gone through the body already. Rail Eagles are in the first cause they do make decent home defense platforms, tanky enough to jump in take pot shot and maybe even kill stuff that isn't that tanky(like say sniper oracles) warp out repair and repeat.

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