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Friday, June 29, 2012

AT9 Qualifiers, looking back

What follows is quoted in full from a post I made to the Rote Kapelle forums some months back, when Rote first started their theory-crafting for the qualifying stages.  It's probably safe enough to go ahead and make public now.  ;-)

If you haven't really paid attention to the work that goes into building Alliance Tournament fleet comps, let me assure you that a lot of thought goes into this process.  There are nearly endless discussions, arguments, and comparisons.  And once a team settles down into a comp that they feel has some promise, then follows endless, endless tweaking to get that comp just so.  And of course, once you have a comp you like, you have to guard it jealously against spies as best you can.

So this should give those of you who haven't really plugged into this process some insight into what goes into it.  This post was of course only one of many, many posts on the Rote boards about the qualifying matches...  Enjoy!

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I took some time today to go through the results of the AT9 qualifying matches.  The results are below.

I've categorized the results into wins and losses, and from there, into comps that I thought were winners and losers.  I've done my best to combine like-minded comps together, and also done my best to judge whether a comp was a winner or a loser by the quality of the opposition that it beat or lost to.  If two comps were markedly different, yet both relied on 1 Tier2 and 2 Tier1 BCs and were flown the same, I grouped them together, whether they were shield or armor comps.  Likewise, if two comps were reliant on bombers, I just called bombers bombers and had done with it regardless of exact types.

Some various notes:
  • 2 @ Tengu and 3 @ Tengu comps were risky.  Against strong teams and weak teams, once you sat down in either of these comps, you had a 50% chance of winning across 29 matches.  These two comps had a combined record of 15W, 14L.
  • Sleipnirs were unlucky, and I can't quite figure out why.  But any comp that relied on Sleipnirs for its main DPS was also either a roll of the dice or a loser.
  • In what seems to be the same way, comps that relied on Machs for their main DPS were also risky, probably because these pilots so often rely on their Snakes and didn't have them for AT9.
  • Nobody did a really heavy e-war comp in the AT9 qualifiers, unfortunately, so I can't really judge how well this comp would do.
  • Drakes were extremely unlucky.  If you relied on Drakes for your DPS, you probably lost, even if you were putting them into comps that otherwise did well (such as 1 Tier2 BC, 2 Tier1 BC).
  • Teams that had more ships did better than teams that had fewer.
  • Battleship comps generally did very poorly, unless that battleship was a Tempest or a Widow.
  • I didn't include the results of four or five matches which were either clearly LOL comps or were Hail Mary comps with very few points.  In the latter case, I didn't include the opponents of these Hail Mary comps since I couldn't judge how they did against real opposition.
  • That said, pretty much every Hail Mary comp lost.
  • Where I listed a team as a "mixed loser" despite winning a match or a "mixed winner" despite losing, it's because I judged their opposition was particularly weak or strong, depending.  You'll have to base your judgment on that on your opinion of my ability to judge such things.
Hopefully, this information will be useful to the theory-crafters among you.


Clear winners:
  • 7W, 0L: 3 @ Brutix, 2 @ Prophecy   OR   3 @ Cyclone, 2 @ Brutix   OR   Other 5 @ Tier1 BC variations
  • 6W, 1L: 1 @ Hurricane, 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Keres, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   Same thing with armor   OR   With any other frigate

Mixed winners:
  • 7W, 5L: 3 @ Tengu, 1 @ Thrasher   (one loss to 5 Tier1 BCs, one loss because 2 @ Tengu, 1 @ Proteus)
  • 2W, 0L: 2 @ Sacrilege, 1 @ Brutix, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Guardian
  • 3W, 1L: 2 @ Machariel, 2 @ Sabre, 1 @ Thrasher  (one W vs weak team)
  • 2W, 1L: 1 @ Tempest, 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   1 @ Tempest, 3 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Thrasher
  • 1W, 0L: 3 @ Hurricane, 2 @ Kitsune
  • 1W, 0L: 2 @ Myrmidon, 1 @ Prophecy, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Oneiros
  • 1W, 0L: 2 @ Proteus, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Daredevil, 1 @ Onieros
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Loki, 1 @ Sleipnir, 2 @ Sabre, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Proteus, 1 @ Ishtar, 2 @ Ishkur, 1 @ Curse
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Typhoon, 1 @ Curse, 1 @ Keres, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Guardian
  • 1W, 0L: 2 @ Rattlesnake, 2 @ Daredevil
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Nightmare, 1 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Stiletto, 1 @ Dramiel, 1 @ Basilisk
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Curse, 1 @ Rook, 1 @ Cormorant, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 1W, 1L: 3 @ Proteus, 1 @ Thrasher
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Vigilant, 3 @ Thorax, 1 @ Guardian

Roll the dice:
  • 8W, 9L: 2 @ Tengu, 2 @ Sabre, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   2 @ Loki, 2 @ Sabre, 1 @ Scimitar (esp. this and this)
  • 5W, 5L: 2 @ Sleipnir, 2 @ Sabre, 1 @ Scimitar

Mixed losers:
  • 1W, 2L: 1 @ Sleipnir, 2 @ Hurricane, 2 @ Dramiel   OR   1 @ Sleipnir, 3 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Dramiel   OR   w/Scimitar
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Machariel, 1 @ Rook, 1 @ Dramiel, 1 @ Oneiros
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Widow, 1 @ Tengu, 2 @ Cormorant, 1 @ Basilisk
  • 1W, 0L: 1 @ Widow, 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 1W, 0L: 2 @ Vagabond, 1 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 1L: 2 @ Dominix, 2 @ Kitsune, 1 @ Hookbill
  • 0W, 1L: 3 @ Bomber, 1 @ Keres, 1 @ Oneiros
  • 0W, 1L: 3 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Arbitrator, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 1L: 3 @ Gila, 2 @ Daredevil
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Tengu, 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Gila
  • 0W, 1L: 2 @ Hurricane, 1 @ Rupture, 1 @ Daredevil, 1 @ Oneiros
  • 0W, 1L: 2 @ Rook, 1 @ Lachesis, 2 @ Dramiel
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Megathron, 1 @ Myrmidon, 1 @ Brutix, 1 @ Oneiros

Clear losers:
  • 0W, 2L: 2 @ Sleipnir, 2 @ Blackbird, 1 @ Cormorant   OR   2 @ Sleipnir, 1 @ Kitsune, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 2L: 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Prophecy, 1 @ Curse, 1 @ Bomber   OR   2 @ Drake, 2 @ Bomber, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 2L: 1 @ Huginn, 1 @ Rook, 2 @ Bomber, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   2 @ Curse, 2 @ Bomber, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 2L: 3 @ Drake, 1 @ Caracal, 1 @ Flycatcher   OR   Other 3 @ Drake comp
  • 0W, 2L: 1 @ Drake, 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Daredevil, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   Same thing with armor
  • 0W, 2L: 2 @ Drake, 2 @ Ferox, 1 @ Hawk   OR   Same thing with armor
  • 0W, 2L: 2 @ Machariel, 2 @ Dramiel
  • 0W, 2L: 1 @ Typhoon, 2 @ Hurricane, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Dramiel
  • 1W, 3L: 2 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Curse, 1 @ Keres, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   Same thing with any other frig
  • 1W, 3L: 2 @ Marauder, 1 @ Thrasher, 1 @ Scimitar   OR   Same thing with 1 @ Marauder, 1 @ Loki
  • 1W, 1L: 1 @ Rook, 1 @ Brutix, 1 @ Cyclone, 1 @ Kitsune, 1 @ Guardian   OR   2 @ Rook, 1 @ Thorax, 1 @ Ishkur, 1 @ Oneiros
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Eos, 2 @ Myrmidon, 1 @ Kitsune, 1 @ Griffin
  • 0W, 1L: 2 @ Ishtar, 1 @ Thorax, 1 @ Ishkur, 1 @ Guardian
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Cyclone, 2 @ Cerberus, 1 @ Rook
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Claymore, 2 @ Rupture, 1 @ Bomber, 1 @ Scimitar
  • 0W, 1L: 1 @ Tengu, 1 @ Cynabal, 1 @ Blackbird, 1 @ Celestis, 1 @ Hookbill  (WTF)

2 comments:

  1. Alliance Tournament X

    And no fucks were given.

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  2. Just wanted to say i'm loving the Rote 'advert' showing in the breaks on the ATX coverage. the one with Pink Floyd. Best of luck in the tourney!

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