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Thursday, June 28, 2012

Fit of the Week: Gank Talos

I'm in a pretty direct sort of mood, so let's go with something really straight-forward this week:

[Talos, Gank Talos]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II

Warrior II x5


This ship is not subtle.  It hurts things.

That's really all it does well, but it does that really, really well.  The combination of eight heavy blasters and the MFSs allow you to put out anywhere from 850 to 1200 DPS depending on the ammo you use.  Null ammo is particularly favored out to point range but if you want to bear down on something big and slow, Void ammo is devastating.  The two TEs give Void ammo 0.07 tracking, which is about double that of a 650mm Artillery Hurricane and 2/3 that of a 425mm AutoCannon Hurricane.  And with Caldari Navy Antimatter loaded instead, your tracking rises to 0.105... just under that of the 425s.  But 425s can't do a thousand DPS and the Talos can.

Like I said, this ship hurts things.

That's why I tend to just double down and go with a tech 2 Hybrid Burst rig to increase the rate of fire.  It adds about a hundred DPS to your total, which is pretty substantial.  It's worth the extra ISK, in my opinion.  But if you like, you can go with an Anti-EM rig or a third CDFE instead.

The other reason I don't bother is because of how tier 3s fit like this are intended to be flown.  You can't really stand and fight.  Taloses are hit-and-run raiders, able to do massive DPS and then equally able to clear the field in a hurry.  Even with no nano fit, the Talos does 2200m/s on an overheated MWD.  And there's pretty much no reason ever not to run the MWD overheated.  Carry at least 200 Nanite Repair Paste in cargo and don't be stingy.  Remember to fit the MWD between the two meta LSEs and you'll find you can overheat safely for a good long while.  Your tank is pretty well non-existent so your only real defense is to run away and then burn down things that try to chase you.

That said, the Talos is the only tier 3 BC with a drone bay, and you can supplement your GTFO capabilities by carrying e-war drones instead of damage drones.  I usually don't bother.  If I'm flying a Talos, I don't have any intention of being that subtle.  There are lots of cases of Taloses simply volleying badly-flown tackling frigates off them.  That tracking bonus is just killer and is the main reason why the Talos is so much better than the very similar Naga.  Feel free to carry a Synth Drop in cargo just to make things that much more insulting to potential tacklers.

The other thing that the Talos does really well is belt rat, by the way.  Doing so is a good way to get a feel for your combat ranges and when you can and can't maintain transversal under MWD.  Consider it practice for the real thing.

Go forth and inflict some pain!


All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.

11 comments:

  1. I believe that the gank talos is only second to the blaster vindi in the "giant guns and massive dps on a piece of paper" contest, and one of them doesn't cost 800m.

    Need to find some time to fly it.

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    1. Well, the Kronos and the Hyperion will both out-DPS the Talos (same number of large blasters, mag stabs, larger drone bays), but there's hardly anything in it. :P

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  2. Hail Jester. I've a question and now seems as good time to ask as any. I love the Talos. I love the way it looks. I love the way it fights - though that's all theory with me and not fact sad to say. That brings me to the question. I've considered a fit like yours but decided to go armor tank and not shield and use the mids for sensor boosters and a tracking computers. The lows have 800mm plate or medium repper with DC2 and MFS plus Tracking enhance. What are your thoughts on doing it that way?

    Also, I have two more words for you to consider: webifier drones.

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    1. The stacking penalty on web drones -- particularly small ones -- neuters them. They aren't worth using.

      As to an armor Talos, 1600 plate, two EANMS, one MFS, one DC, Ion Blaster cannons, one anti-explosive rig, two trimarks. Mid slots to taste. It's nicely tanky but I don't care for it for PvP. The main advantage to the tier3s is their mobility. Armor tanking them sacrifices that. Just my opinion, though.

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    2. As always, it's worth the read. I did take the plates off and went active tank on the fit. That gets the speed back but allows alpha if you're jumped. I think I'll fit one your way and give it a fly. Thanks!

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    3. Karbox DelacroixJune 28, 2012 at 5:26 PM

      Loki boosts. Amazing.

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    4. If you want to carebear in it, this fit is fun to fly in Level 3 Missions, or as DPS support for whatever if you are flying with others:

      [Talos, Talos - Mission Skirmish]
      Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
      Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
      Tracking Enhancer II
      Tracking Enhancer II
      Nanofiber Internal Structure II

      Large Shield Extender II
      Large Shield Extender II
      Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
      Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L
      425mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge L

      Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
      Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
      Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I

      Hobgoblin II x5

      Just bring every type of ammo from Antimatter down to lead, and use whatever you need to range tank the damage. It's fun and fast, and it aligns so quick that if you are paying attention, you are very difficult to catch if there is a wardec on or something.

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    5. Mabrick - No. Just... no. You're never going to stand and brawl in a tier 3. If you want to brawl with large guns, do it properly and get a battleship. The only way the talos survives is that it's got great speed and has hilarious DPS and good damage projection. All that's going to happen if you try to armor tank it is you're going to die.

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    6. Hoarr - you are, of course, absolutely correct. What I didn't elaborate on was that the fit I outlined is actually a sniper with a 100k+ range, 3,600+ alpha and a frigate lock of less than 3 seconds. It doesn't need to brawl. ;)

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  3. "The other thing that the Talos does really well is belt rat, by the way.  Doing so is a good way to get a feel for your combat ranges and when you can and can't maintain transversal under MWD.  Consider it practice for the real thing."

    This is a really good hint for any ship i think. When i'm experimenting with other random fast moving tackle fits, especially interceptors, i use belt rats to practice my approach and figure out when to start my turn in, so i don't overshoot too much. doesn't beat the real thing though when they're also burning straight at you, but it gives you an idea.

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  4. I personally know a player that has a 1500 dps talos....all it does it melt things, and hurt peoples feelings.

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