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Friday, June 22, 2012

POTW: Best way to make ISK

Picture of the week honors goes to this:


Yeah.  That's 5000 +5 implants (at around 100 million ISK each) and 16000 +4 implants (at around 16 million ISK each).  Plus hundreds of blueprints for Minmatar Republic Fleet ships.  Plus, very incidentally, about 240,000 data cores (at between 100 and 200 thousand ISK each).  That's just in that one little graphic.

I might have somewhat understated the gains made by the people exploiting holes in the FW mechanics the other day.

Over here is Paul Clavet at My Loot, Your Tears explaining how he made between 200 and 500 million ISK per hour with week-old toons in T1 frigates.  My favorite line?  "These frigs didn’t even have to fit guns, since the sites were completed by proximity to the capture point."  Uhhh... OK.  That's some really good game design right there.  I assume it wasn't CCP's intent for week-old toons to be able to make between 200 and 500 million ISK per hour in unarmed T1 frigates, but who can say?

I'm really thinking I should have paid more attention to the proposed Inferno FW changes when I had the chance.  ;-)

It seems more and more often in the last couple of years, the best way to make ISK in EVE Online is to massively exploit holes in the game mechanics, and just keep quiet about it while you're doing it.  If you're not too greedy and months go by before CCP catches on to what you're doing, so much the better.  When AHARM did this exact thing in 2010, they were hugely and publicly punished for it.  It will be quite interesting to see how CCP responds to it this year.

25 comments:

  1. Well, looks like the implant market will be a buyers market soon.

    And navy faction ships might come down in price as well.

    Wow, just wow.

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  2. I'm sure more intelligent people have made this observation before, but since I'm too lazy to scour the forums for it -

    It seems like one consistent mistake the Devs at CCP make is expecting players to play by the stated rules of what they have designed - which most do - but maybe don't stop and think of how it can be "exploited" to get the max out of it with minimal effort. (exhibits: dogpiling, AHARM's WH tricks, FW FTW, module mineral compression...er...OTEC...).

    -Amari

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  3. No wonder datacore prices crashed so hard. I thought it had something to do with the 900k of them that were collected before the recent changes, but from this, I'm guessing they won't be rising any time soon.

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  4. I hope to the gods CCP makes an example of everyone who knowingly used this exploit.

    An exploit is an exploit and if you let it slide it's like botting and RMT... it potentially can ruin the game for all the people who want to play it right.

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  5. At the bottom where it has the price and number of items and it says 23 filtered does that mean there are more items in that picture that just aren't shown? Maybe more loot they didn't want us to see?

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  6. Judging by CCP's response so far, they will not punish anyone who has been exploiting this hole in the mechanics without reporting it. Not an unexpected development, for obvious reasons.

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  7. The part that scares the shit out of me is, how much of this sort of exploitation is going in in THE REAL WORLD? /sigh

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  8. Nice, perhaps I should stock up on faction neuts while the going is good...

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  9. Well, as another player put it, the real problem for FW players should be the players of the oppossing faction. As I made an alt specifically to try and farm the stuffs, I can point out some interesting stuff:
    - you do need some IRL piloting skills. A 24h new character in the hands of a total noob will just explode - makes me think at that interesting theory of yours, with benefit to the older players...
    - Amarr militia players are... wth. I was solo in a system full of Amarr militia and was expecting to get blobbed to hell and back; nobody showed up except a guy in an incursus that I managed to kite and cap the minor plex (9 seconds were left) ^.^
    - this should be as intended. Why? FW = lotsa ships going p00f. People that could not afford it might do so now. Why buy 20 Punishers when you can buy 20 Hurricanes and learn a lot more a lot faster? This can only be good to FW in general -> farmers? Np, np, moar targets. Lots of ISK? More ships going boom.

    Hopefully the market won't crash, though. That would be a problem.

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  10. Datacore market will also crash, and thats bad new for new explorers who rely on radar sites to get a minimal income.

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    1. Datacore markets were already crashing because of this; just look at the datacore prices over the last month.

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  11. You won't need to wait any longer:
    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1519338#post1519338

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    1. Interesting! Let's hope it's true.

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    2. Another interesting thing about this is the OP of that thread said assets only started being seized once the case reached PCGamer.

      So, want to see something fixed in the game? don't bother going to the forums and complaining. Don't bother filing a bug.

      Instead, make a case big enough to be newsworthy then make a lot of bad press about it, because ultimately that's the one thing that puts CCP on the move.

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  12. IMHO the worst effects of this market manipulation were visited upon the Ammar FW communities... ( whole thing sorta sort of reminds me of the Opium Wars) and now cheap Minnie FW items & learning implants will be the opiate of the masses for a bit in the markets
    So using staged kills Goons were able to game the War Control Tier to level 5 reducing the ISK sink of the Minnie FW LP store by 75%. While a few Goons claim that no ISK's were created in this scheme (true some where even sunk) , they in fact have significantly reduced the second largest ISK sink in Eve.

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  13. "The part that scares the shit out of me is, how much of this sort of exploitation is going in in THE REAL WORLD?"

    You can rest easy because the answer is absolutely none.

    In the real world this sort of exploit would be impossible because the LP store cannot give out an absurdly large number of items because they are limited by the physical production of them.

    However, when your items are digital, then there is no limit. In eve, this is every item and the devs need to be more vigilant about accidentally introducing infinite sources of anything. In the real world this is called central banking and it's just as bad as you fear.

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    1. Sir you are incorrect: In RL just look at the amount of AK-47's available in Africa. The numbers are absurd yet they are there!

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    2. You got to be kidding me.

      Search for "money as debt" on youtube/google and go take your "the answer is absolutely none" and shove it where the sun don´t shine. >:[

      As for this exploit, meh. Yet another lolCCP moment.
      Frankly babe, I don´t give a damn.

      Guild Wars2, get your ass in gear goddammit!

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  14. Larofeticus, may I introduce you to the concept of rehypothecation in modern financial markets: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothecation#Rehypothecation

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  15. So for a newb - what's the Euro/Dollar equivalent here. Because that basically just came out of the CCP guys revenue - I.e. their paychecks - since no goonswarm member needs to pay to play for what - two years? That's just from this exploit.

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    1. Uhhh no.

      My math was $110,000. Other math is saying $150,000 to $175,000. This could be RMT'd for a quarter to half that amount, not really certain though, CCP is going to town on RMT. PLEX is sold for isk or applied to an account in game after being purchased for real money. So CCP isn't out anything other than looking bad and maybe losing sub's. This happen's every expansion pretty much.

      CCP doesn't understand how to play their own game.

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    2. Where do you think PLEXes come from? Even if this ISK is used to pay for accounts, CCP will get it's money.

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    3. Anon, CCP doesn't lose any money from some schmoes being able to pay for their subs in ISK. Someone has to fork over the cash for the PLEX at some point.

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    4. Using plex for gametime isn't the same thing as not paying. Someone somewhere bought that plex for real dollars and listed it on the eve market for isk. CCP actually makes more money when people use plex vs. paying for a sub.

      All plex's do is shift who pays the real bucks for your account, but the point is that CCP still gets their money either way.

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  16. As much as the Goons try to spin 'it's fur the good of teh gaem,yeu pubbies',the general consensus is that they are getting plastered all over forums. I for one am enjoying front seats in the huge drama that is Eve Online. Worth every penny I pay for every month.

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