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Thursday, July 5, 2012

Bombed flat

And now an important message from Jester's evil twin, Garth.  The opinions of Garth are not the opinions of Jester (unless they are).

So, that fuck-wit Jester made fun of CCP Sreegs for telling Goons that they shouldn't act like Goons.  Really, Sreegs was quite specific: if you find an exploit, you don't use it, you report it as a bug.  And I'm happy to report that the message really seems to have sunk in.  The Goons discovered a new exploit this week.  And in an excellent display of player-developer cooperation, the Goons brought in devs, explained to them exactly how the exploit worked, and showed how it could be used in direct violation to how the game should be played.  The Goons certainly didn't share the exploit with their coalition.  Instead, they displayed real penitence and understanding of CCP's troubles in discovering these sorts of exploits, and really showed how Goons could be a positive force for the communit--

ahahahahahahaha.  No.  I'm just fucking with you.  They used the hell out of that exploit.  Because fuck CCP Sreegs and fuck CCP.


It turns out that you can solo a carrier with a single bomber, too:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13899128

The exploit, as I understand it: after bombers jump through a Titan bridge, the damage applied by their bomb launchers doesn't seem to take effect on the other bombs launched by other bombers that jump through the same Titan bridge.  So all you need to do is jump 50 or 60 bombers through a Titan, aim your bombs at a capital ship -- a Pandemic Legion capital ship works best...

Boom.


Listen to that cackling.  I'm so glad the Goons have learned their lesson, aren't you?

Garth out!

The preceding has been an important message from Jester's evil twin, Garth.  The native language of Garthland, it turns out, is sarcasm.

27 comments:

  1. Speaking of exploits, it was found out that apparently FW members can join a neutral's fleet. If the fleet creater has high standing with say Amarr and is fighting say, a Fweddit fleet, and sets the fleet to be open to anyone +5 or over, then the militia can see and join his fleet. Queue warping to pilots in safe spots and you get the general idea...

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  2. Wat.

    -A- has been using this for days. I think PL/CFC got the inspiration to test it when 24 PANGU Coalition bombers uncloaked and fired as one wave on an Oracle fleet, killing everything without any bombs killing one another.

    That video you linked is PL testing it on their own carrier.

    Top nerd specialists suspect that CCP stopped the server from calculating missile/bomb damage due to discrepancies between their position in the engine and their position with the new missile effects.

    You will also note that firewalling no longer kills missiles, much like bombs do not kill one another.

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    1. Reread the last line of the post, in italics.

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    2. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    3. Saying the Goons found the bug, when it was found and used by several other alliances before them and from whom the Goons found out about it, isn't actually sarcasm. It's more... lying? deceiving? manipulating the truth so it better fits your message?

      That said, the core of the message ("Less than two weeks ago a group of Goons were punished for exploiting and Sreegs somewhat bluntly asked the Goon community to not abuse exploits they find in the future, now here they are abusing another exploit") is still accurate. "So and so else did it first" never worked back in primary school and it's not a valid argument here either.

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  3. You just trying to troll fresh fish, who are hearing this story for the first time from here?

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  4. StevieTopSiders has already eluded to this, but just to clarify it for the folks at home. This has nothing to do with Titan bridging. It appears that missiles/bombs have changed so that they can no longer be destroyed en route to their target, so you can have as many bombers firing bombs as you like.

    Also, I don't think that your 1 bomber carrier killmail is anything to do with this - it's just a bugged killmail... (though that may have something to do with titan bridging - who knows?)

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  5. Exploiting goes on because it has no consequences. If that 5 FW exploiting goons would get permaban on ALL their accounts, then maybe the others would think twice before laughing on the request of Sreegs.

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  6. Gevlon, at this point, based on the previous few blog posts, any thing you post not related to isk making is simply an elaborate troll.

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    1. He's kind of got a point though; if the consequence for exploiting is that CCP might just reset you to where you'd have been if you didn't exploit (which is what happened to the FW 'spoiters) then that's not much of an incentive to not use any exploits you run across.

      Sreegs can hurf and blurf all he likes about how you shouldn't "be that guy" but, well... this is one of the moments where we look at what our devs do and less of what they say.

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    2. I think Gevlon has a point. In this case not only did Aryth and the other have a lot of fun and smugness exploiting, Aryth even got a sack of plexes for self-snitching. Sure, they lost the isk they directly generated but they moved the market dramatically so I imagine they made isk that won't be taken off them as LP products crashed. For instance datacores becoming incredibly cheap will have encouraged T2 manufacturers which was great for Technetium sellers.

      The LP ecploiting 5, especially Aryth, have come out a long way ahead in all this, especially when you consider a major motivation is getting people excited on forums.

      I don't, unlike Gevlon, have a good solution. Banning people who own up just stops people owning up. I do think current solutions, especially the solution to the LP exploit, are in no way going to deter anyone. If I could find a great exploit in the next patch it would probably be worth exploiting it, then self-snitching as it appears I'd be bulletproof and it would probably be great fun.

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  7. I sure wouldn't want to be the SoCo over the next couple of days. They've been relying pretty heavily on Bomber fleets, and since this has been publicised pretty well they're not going to be able to claim ignorance.

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  8. What terrible sources did you use to write this with?
    Admittedly you can write whatever you want and give any excuse but the info is simply wrong :P

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  9. There was no titan bridge involved, I was there and we formed up in 1dh. Just bugged bomb mechanics. Also, even though the killmails show 1 or 2 dudes there there 160 of us all launching every racial type of bomb. Boom.

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  10. I realize that bombs are supposed to hurt each other, but put that aside for a minute. What's actually wrong with lots and lots of bombs being used in this way?

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    1. It allows a few hundred people with the investment of a few hundred thousand ISK each to destroy super-carriers, Titans, or a massed capital fleet at the investment of hundreds of billions.

      It turns EVE into a farce.

      Which is incidentally why Garth wrote this post in the tone that he did. ;-)

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    2. So there is absolutely no way to counter this tactic? Stealth bombers cost isk too, and don't exactly have robust tanks. Shouldn't bombers logically be the counter to supercaps anyway? You're a fan of citing World War II, look at Pearl Harbor. You want to tell me that isn't an analog for a stealth bomber attack on a massed capital fleet?

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    3. As fun as it sounds, that's a false comparison. There's no comparison for Pearl Harbor in EVE because an EVE ship in space doesn't go quiescent the way a naval ship in harbor does.

      If bombers were given the ability to take out capital ships in this manner, then it should be balanced by capital ships having auto-firing small guns with a range of 30km. You know, like 20th century warships do (CIWS).

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    4. While I agree that larger ships in Eve should have defense against smaller ships, I understand why they don't. That said, having the ability to screen against stealth bomber attacks seems like an excellent role for destroyers to have, maybe a varient on the dictor that provides a decloaking bubble, or causes bombs to detonate early or something. I just don't see why unsupported caps and supercaps shouldn't be worried about getting bombed in the face.

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  11. "It turns EVE into a farce."
    Now isn't that exactly what that Hulk pilot complained about having his expensive ship destroyed by cheap ships ?

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    1. Yes. And he was right to do so. One Catalyst shouldn't be able to kill one Hulk if it's fit at all close to properly, which is why mining ships are getting a buff.

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    2. Karbox DelacroixJuly 6, 2012 at 9:09 AM

      And for the record, most of the solo catalyst hulk kills occur when the fit is extremely bad. Like almost non-existent bad or four small civilian shield boosters bad.

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  12. Could have sworn Shadoo and crew figured this out..

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  13. unsub'd what a loser. No fact checking and then tries to cover up by misuse of the word sarcasm. Lie, cover up with a flimsy excuse, and more lies. Feels like an 11 year old is running this blog.

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    1. Wait. You're saying that Garth got someone to unsub with a blog post? He'll be very pleased.

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  14. A quote that seems very pertinent to this just popped up on another blog I follow, popehat.com, in which (on an entirely non-eve related topic), he says "Have at it, Something Awful. But try to be the good guys, would you? I know that's a lot to ask of a flock of shit-throwing monkeys. But I believe in you." I think Sreegs believes in them too ...

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