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I'm your host, Jester. I've been an EVE Online player for about six years. One of my four mains is Ripard Teg, pictured at left. Sadly, I've succumbed to "bittervet" disease, but I'm wandering the New Eden landscape (and from time to time, the MMO landscape) in search of a cure.
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Sunday, July 1, 2012

June junk drawer

Welcome to the junk drawer, part of a series of monthly posts in which I dump all the stuff that I couldn't develop into full blog posts this path month...

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After being available in "archive mode" for quite a while, Mynxee's blog Life in Low Sec is now down.  I was asked not to make a big deal of this, but to remind any of you out there linking to LILS to go ahead and remove those links (as I have).

I would be remiss if I didn't mention that if you like my blog, you can thank Mynxee for telling me I should start one.  The rest is history, etc. etc.

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I'm not sure I agree with the conclusions in this forum post:
http://www.lostineve.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93

They strike me as pretty alarmist.  But remember the conspiracy theory about how the war-dec allies system was "really" being nerfed to benefit large null-sec alliances at the expense of smaller high-sec corps who were supposed to be griefed by them?  Listen to the pod-cast this forum post points you toward and you get an unlikely source of evidence: CSM member Two step.

Does Two step really say the things that this forum post says he does?  In my opinion... no.  But it's an interesting listen nonetheless, and worth your time if you're following this topic.  The relevant section of the pod-cast starts 45 minutes in, so download the MP3.

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Black Frog Logistics, who I've raved about before (usually when mentioning their parent corp Red Frog Freight), has come up with an interesting variation on their business.  They've started negotiating with sov holders for docking rights to stations deep in sov space.

This isn't a new idea, of course.  One of the richest people I know in EVE was doing this at least two or three years ago.  But he was doing it on a pretty small scale.  Even so, on that small scale he made tens (and possibly hundreds) of billions of ISK seeding deep null-sec markets with unusual items.  And he specialized in seeding items that were of particular relevance to the null-sec miner.

Now that null-sec mining is coming back in a big way, Black Frog seems to have had the same idea.

As I said, one player doing this made a fortune.  It's kind of interesting to me to wonder -- with the organization of Black, Blue, and Red Frog combining for this -- how many ISK will be made this time.  And of course, if for some reason your null-sec alliance is having trouble with large-scale logistics but yet you've still managed to (rent) take over a station, negotiating with Black Frog might be in your best interests...

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Been hearing interesting rumors about CCP's efforts to deal with mining bots.  One of the more inventive ones I've heard about is alternating ship cargo bays between showing how much free space is available and how much space has been taken up.  This hurts mining bots because they have a harder time telling if the cargo bay is full or not.  Kinda clever.

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I love this and this.  But I have no idea of the source.  Someone just sent me the links to the images themselves.  Can anyone clue me into the source?  I'd love to give full credit where it's due to some stellar work.


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Congratulations to Dr Caymus, who this month became the first EVE character to pass 200 million skill points!  Here's where you can check out what he spent it all on.  Keep in mind that he has (as I write this) almost 197 million skill points invested into skills, and four million skill points that are free to be allocated.  eveboard.com doesn't show the latter.

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Probably just a personal quirk: I find that from about May 15 to about June 15, my enthusiasm for EVE drops.  It seems to happen every year too, or at least the last three years.  Maybe that's when I burn out on the game.  Or maybe that's when the nice weather convinces me to get outside the house and not play any games.  EVE of course has the famed summer slump.  Guess that's just how it impacts me.  Anyone else notice the same thing?

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I'm a really big fan of the v3 art on the Minmatar T1 ships.  Whomever did the art for them should really feel proud of themselves.

In particular, two things about it really impress me.  First, the use of light colors along the outer flat edges, dark colors underneath, and mid-tones in between really give the Minnie ships an appearance of depth that they lacked before.  Nowhere is this more visible than on the Hel model, for instance.  The Minnie super-carrier feels a lot more hefty and present to me than it ever did before.  But the effect has been replicated nicely on the sub-caps as well, notably the Hurricane, Maelstrom, Tempest, and (surprisingly) the Vigil.

No, I still don't like the T2 graphical work.  It's either charcoal briquette or overdone space camo.  But the T1 art is really, really well done.

The second thing that I like just as much or more are the texture of the Minnie sails, such as on the Tempest.  Look through them, and you'll find that they are translucent and you can see solid objects through them.  However, pan around your ship so that you try to look at the local sun through sails and you'll find that you can't.  The sails soak up starlight but are otherwise translucent.  And the texture on them is just lovely.  Bravo to whomever did the work!

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Know what I saw in EVEmon today?  Blueprints for Capital class rigs, that's what.  They cost about seven times as much as the corresponding Large rigs, in both their tech 2 variations.  Put another way, if these get implemented and you have T2 Large Trimark Armor Pumps on your Aeon already, your Aeon is going to appreciate approximately six billion ISK in value.

Prepare to witness a lot of really smug super-capital pilots when and if this gets implemented.  The impact on T1 rigs for carriers and dreads is no less significant, and is going to dramatically increase the cost of buying a capital ship.

As a side effect, watch as the gap between EVE's rich and EVE's poor grows even wider.  EVE is real.

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And that's it.  Junk drawer is empty again.  Lots of stuff this month!

26 comments:

  1. Sad to see Mynxee's old blog go poof. Life In Low Sec was what convinced me to take the plunge and start playing eve a few years ago. I know she had a changing RL employment situation and a terrible internet connection as well, but I can't help but feel that after she got a look at how the sausage was made she lost her appetite for it (keep it clean, folks!).

    On a meta-scale, there's a lot of great stuff on the internet that is going to disappear sooner or later. At least if was in dead-tree form someone could hoard the printed newsletters for posterity's sake :)

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  2. Rifter and Nyx models come from Reddit:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/t905w/3d_printed_rifter/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/thbg6/3d_printed_nyx/

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  3. Could you elaborate further on the blueprints of capital rigs part? And how that will impact the price of capitals? Im not trolling you i just dont understand. sry abt it o/

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  4. That 3D printed rifter was done by Dreddit member Phroon Thoom. Here is a video of it printing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rxybKAgAr4M

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  5. In that podcast two step confirms that he's a moron at 24:45. Incarna should let you moon people through the window of a station? I know he was trying to be loltastic, but really, come on. Reminds me of a couple complete a-holes in my alliance that EVERY single wardec they come up with the idea that a fleet of "Ibises of Doom" would be a wonderful idea to throw at the wartargets. Hahahahaha! Troll them! LOLOLOL! Yeah real funny. Idiot.

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    1. Uh, that wasn't me talking. How about you actually pay a little attention when listening to these things.

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    2. i think it proves he has a sense of humor.

      I tried to glean some kind of tinhattery goodness out of it but alas i failed to spot the null sec bias in changes to wardec system he talks about.
      His gist is, "look, if you want to pretend this game is single player, good luck with that!"
      I like this excerpt because his point is about "risk" - It's not like he has to play rule's lawyer but what he does do is imply both griefers and carebears shouldn't expect wardecs to be a win button...once they finish tweaking the system

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  6. The 3d printed stuff comes from http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/t905w/3d_printed_rifter/ and http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/thbg6/3d_printed_nyx/

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  7. You know that the Hel still is v2? As of Inferno 1.1, no capital has been v3'd.

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    1. Karbox DelacroixJuly 2, 2012 at 10:00 AM

      I thought it was a rather subtle troll.

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    2. It isn't, though. Compare to the screenshots from the Hel kill a couple months ago. While CCP definitely left the Rev alone, the Hel is definitely carrying some of the new skins and it's also definitely carrying the new sails.

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  8. Also in EVE Mon/Aura is a new Navigation skill "Micro Jump Drive Operation"

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    1. Yeah, that's been in the database for a while.

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  9. Jester, do you want/need an archive of Mynxee's blog? I use google reader to subscribe to the entire eve blogosphere. I did this when the evebloggers portal was in danger of not being continued. It took me a couple days to manually add every link to my reader list! The google reader has Mynxee's blog cached going back as far as March 31, 2008. I am fairly sure there is a way to extract it as a file for archiving purposes.

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    1. No thanks, but thank you for the offer!

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  10. Jester, do you intend to make an analysis of Inferno's success in the same way you did for Crucible, or do you think it's still too early for that?

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    1. Far too early. October or so for that.

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  11. Bots - CCP playing with the cargo display format is going to have a negligible effect on bots. They run on a simple process of the total cargo space divided by the maximum ore output. Download a bot and see how they work. The OCR just adapt to whatever is on the screen. CCP just needs to react to bot reports from the players. We've put in plenty, and the bots are still flying.

    Summer slump - The slumps don't generally start until July. A patch can completely negate the effects of mid/late summer if it is a good one. A patch can also amplify or extend the effect of the slump if it is bad. Right now, the numbers are down, and they're down a month early. A good patch will show positive well into the summer.

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    1. Yeah, I'm familiar with the summer slump effect, which is less about people logging in and more about general in-game activity being down. If you look at the numbers, more people *log in* during late summer than during February which I think comes down to just what you say.

      My note was more about a personal loss of enthusiasm for the game, even though I was still logging in.

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  12. Also, regarding 3d printed rifters and such...someone has some stuff on shapeways:

    http://www.shapeways.com/designer/micro1331

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  13. "I find that from about May 15 to about June 15, my enthusiasm for EVE drops."

    Same here, and yearly too. The weather outside improves, it's busy at work (lots of stuff to complete before the vacation season begins), and the same is pretty much true for home as well: get packed for holiday! Plus, I usually have a solid streak from January - May, and I just sort of burn out for a while.

    The second dip of the year, for me, usually is the first weeks of the December month. Lots of family stuff going on then.

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  14. Weather here sucks during the summer, already been high 90s and 100 degrees, no beach or lakes to near by either. Summer forces me to play more video games.

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  15. About the mining bots...

    Most bot programs from other games I've used hook directly into the client. What I'm saying is it would take a day or two to find the new memory locations for the cargo toggle. From then on it would be business as usual.

    Remember that current bot programs don't rely on visuals to play like we do.


    Another note on the bot miners is that they seem to be networked together these days. There was a post on the official forums about this.

    I can have my scout toon cloak, warp to an ice belt and wait. As soon as one of my ganker toons enters the system the bots all warp to the station. This is in multiple different systems and with a fast enough response time be extremely suspicious.

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    1. The injector bots are the ones that have the most problem with updates and code changes. They're also the easiest ones to detect for Eve because the game reports a ton of info back to the server cluster, including things like VM as well. The simple bots that look for specific colours in certain locations are the fastest ones to be updated. The y have enough variability to be harder to detect because they don't interact with Eve directly. They just move the mouse and perform keystrokes. Go try them and then you'll know what you're talking about and will be able to recognize the behaviors in space.

      As for networked bots, just because the ships dock up when a ganker shows up doesn't mean they're bots. Set the toon or corp to red and I they show , you dock up. What's so tough about that? I have local pulled out all the time and expanded. Small minds automagically assume all miners are bots. We're not. We just don't play the game with a big chip on our shoulder looking for "life revenge".

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  16. Jester no-one yet seems to have picked up the line that null-sec alliances entering high-sec in large numbers (war-decs, burn jita etc) in the internal game logic is a threat to the actual empire/s they enter therefore those empire/s must respond.
    Faction War pilots cannot enter space of their opposing faction yet sov holding alliances, which are in effect just the same can enter empire without attracting attention - doesn't make sense just ask a Turkish fighter pilot.

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