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Monday, July 2, 2012

Rigging the market

A lot of people have contacted me over the last 24 hours or so to further explain what I meant in yesterday's post about the capital ship rigs that are currently visible in the EVEMon tool.  I guess this does deserve its own post.  ;-)  So here goes.

Basics first.  You can skip the next four paras if you understand the history of rigs in EVE.  Today, there are three sizes of rigs: small, medium, and large.  There are obviously four sizes of ships: frigate, cruiser, battleship, and capital ship.  At one time in EVE, there was only one size of rig, a "one size fits all" size that could be fit on any class of ship.  The cost of that one size fits all rig corresponded to the current "large" size rig.  So make no mistake: rigging any ship under battleship size was expensive.  The drop rate for salvage components was also quite a bit lower than it is today.  Because of that, salvage prices and therefore rig prices were much higher at that time.

For example, I can recall a time when Melted Capacitor Consoles were well over 125,000 ISK each.  They're between 10000 and 15000 today.  MCCs are a major component of Capacitor Control Circuit rigs, which meant that CCCs were very expensive.  And anything that used Armor Plates was outrageously expensive.  This included Salvage Tackle rigs, for instance.  What was regarded for a long while in 2009 and 2010 as a very common salvage destroyer with three Salvage Tackle rigs was something you didn't buy or fit in early 2009 unless you had wormhole money behind you to pay for it.

As a result, for the longest time, very few ships below battleships and T2 battle cruisers had rigs.  You might see the occasional rigged T2 cruiser.  But T1 cruisers, frigates, and destroyers?  No, almost never.

So three years ago this week, CCP created the small and medium rigs, and reclassified the existing rigs as larges.  The cost of medium rigs was set at one-fifth the cost of larges.  The cost of smalls was set to one-fifth the cost of mediums.  As a result, it became trivial to rig frigates, and nearly as inexpensive to rig cruisers, battle cruisers, haulers, et cetera.  Battleships continued to use the large rigs.  But one quirk remained: capital ships also used the large rigs.  And now you're caught up with today.

What about tomorrow?

That's where my comment in my post yesterday came from: there are now capital class rig blueprints in EVEMon.  It therefore seems likely they'll be hitting Tranquility before too long.  The T1 capital rigs will cost a little over five times what the T1 large rigs cost.  The same effect will impact T2 capital rigs.  Today, based on Jita prices, three T1 Trimark Armor Pumps (for a Moros, say) cost about 23 million ISK to build, and 25 million to buy.  That cost is increasing to 115 to build.  So, every rigged Moros in the game will jump about 100 million ISK in cost.

Things really get interesting when you look at the T2 rigs, though.  Today, again based on Jita prices, three T2 Trimark Armor Pumps (for an Aeon, say) cost about 786 million ISK to build, and 915 million ISK to buy.  That cost is increasing.

To 3.7 billion ISK build cost.  Minimum.

Put another way, every Aeon and Nyx in the game is going to appreciate in value by about four billion ISK overnight, or by about 16%.

So, if you have the means, now's probably a good time to invest in multiple T2 rigged super-capital ships.  And if you're holding on to large T2 rigs with a plan toward fitting them on a capital ship of some type, better get on that pretty soon.

19 comments:

  1. Something that seems to be assumed, or I'm not seeing explained, is the assumption that any Large rigs fit onto Capital ships will be automagically changed to be Capital size rigs.

    Is this what happened with the release of Medium/Small rigs, for example?

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    1. If you can fly it before, you can fly it after.

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    2. Yes. You can still occasionally see a KM where a small/medium ship has Large rigs fitted. Pretty uncommon at this point, but they're out there.

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  2. I'm not convinced that capital rigs are a new thing; IIRC they've been in the database for a while, along with capital implants.

    Having said that, it would be glorious if CCP unfit all large rigs attached to capital ships and put them in their owner's home station instead of perpetuating Malcanis' Law and letting them remain.

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    1. The existing rigs were grandfathered. There are tons and tons of frigates and cruisers out there with "Large" rigs attached. I still have my Large Salvage Tackle rigged Cormorant from when I lived in wormhole space, for instance. And just the other day, I destroyed a Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer on one of my Drakes to replace it.

      So if the capital ship rigs go in, I'd expect the existing Large-rigged capitals to be grandfathered the same way.

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    2. Karbox DelacroixJuly 3, 2012 at 6:56 AM

      This explains all the large sized rigs on the hulks that I ganked. Also, the best source for intact armor plates are exhumers. ;-) Just saying.

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    3. Actually I heard the best source for armour plates is the Kundalini Manifest NPC :)

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  3. I don't expect the same. The large rigs were grandfathered to frigs because they were downgraded. Free upgrades aren't what you get in EVE. Remember "Characters in the Alien movies have no control over their situations or their technology. Their situation starts bad and only gets worse, their actions are mostly irrelevant, and their technology will actively work against them."

    My guess: if you had a rigged capital before the servers go down, you'll get an unrigged capital and 3 battleship sized rigs in the hangar floor.

    Best case: you get a capital with not working large rigs and NPCs sell "capital rig upgrade kit" for 80% of the capital rig target price that you can use on your existing capitals to change rigs to capital size, no other usage as you can't rig large rigs into capitals anymore.

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    1. Karbox DelacroixJuly 3, 2012 at 8:34 AM

      Regarding the potential changes to Battlecruisers and Destroyers, CCP has been quite clear in saying that if you could fly it before, you can fly it after. This would imply CCP not removing existing functionality from players.

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  4. It would make sense within the framework of the economy. The nerf to minerals earlier this year probably means that more rig salvage is produced per 1000 units of mineral than before. Rig salvage has been declining in price for some time and it is a resource in need of more sinking.

    Salvaging, the actual chore of hoovering up, is one of the exceptions to Malcanis's law. Generally veteran rich players don't salvage their missions and anoms while newbies quite often salvage both their own and other people's.

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  5. Jester, what is missing in the post is to mention that only assembled capitals with rigs installed prior to the TQ release will accrue this value. This may not be obvious for everyone.

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  6. I'm sorry to burst your bubble Jester, but you didn't just discover hot water did you? This stuff was in the DB for a very long time and just because it's visible now in Evemon - NO it doesn't deserve it's own post.

    It may never go live, or if it ever does it'll be probably after a lot of tweaking/talking to the community/CSM. Btw, I don't dig this Fox News type of writing stuff - `brace urselves the flood is coming`.

    2nd point - yes ofc these awesome rigs on caps will get changed to capital rigs! Coz that's EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED with large rigs on sub-BS hulls rite? Stop drinking the kool aid, you're blogging too much.

    PS. I always wondered, what exactly is that you do in RL anyways? Advertising? You seem to have a shitload of time to blog/play Eve.

    Quality > quantity

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    1. I never said that current large rigs would be converted to capital ones. I just said that an Aeon with current Large T2 Trimarks will appreciate in value. And it will, because it will cost 4 billion ISK to rig a second Aeon the same way as the first.

      I'm interested when these rigs appeared in EVEMon. Because I use the EVEMon blueprint planner very regularly, and what I search for is "core def" or "trimark" when I'm looking for how much a T2 rig of that type costs. Only this week has searching for "core def" produced the capital size results, but maybe it was there before then and I missed it. So, when were they added?

      As for the tweaking, why should they tweak? Medium cost 5x as small. Large cost 5x as much as medium. Capital costing 5x as much as large is both perfectly consistent AND won't hurt the T1 rigs/capitals very much at all. 23 million to rig a Moros versus 120 to do it isn't that big a deal when the hull cost is 2.5 billion.

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    2. A thought comes to mind.

      One is better off producing sh*t, than eating sh*t.

      And all that it implies.

      I suppose that's also a commentary on EVE?

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  7. I'd be surprised if much anything gets added to Eve over the next month ( maybe two ). DEV's are still reeling over all the patches they had to do to the UI fiasco. More then a few DEV's are going on vaction right now too. Burnout factor over debugging must have taken its toll and I suspect more then just the ring mining & BC skills revamp was pushed back due to the UI patchfest + promised POS revamp -DarthNefarius

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  8. To all of you that don't realise what jester is implying is that there is no DIFFERENCE in the attributes on a rig. the only difference is that large rigs only go in large slots. so an aeon after the indroduction of capital rigs that still has large rigs fit will recieve the same benefits of an aeon with capital rigs. Therefore the large rigged Aeon will be worth as much as a capital rigged Aeon to sell, but you payed less for it. sorry for bad structure, typing on phone blows.

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  9. Karbox DelacroixJuly 3, 2012 at 11:41 AM

    Here is another important question: what size rigs do you think an Orca would require?

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    1. I would suggest that anything that has Advanced Spaceship Command as a prerequisite will need capital size rigs.

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  10. Jester, are you by any chance involved in TII rig production?

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