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Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Fit of the Week: Tackle Proteus

I haven't done a Proteus yet, and rather than doing the rather standard gank-fit version that lots of people know about, let's go with one that really emphasizes the strategic cruiser hull's versatility:

[Proteus, AHAC Tackle]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centus C-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive
True Sansha Warp Disruptor
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
True Sansha Warp Scrambler

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

Hornet EC-300 x5
Valkyrie II x5


Four mid-slot Proteuses are pretty rare.  The usual three mid-slot Proteus goes for prop mod, cap booster, scram in support of a heavy gank setup with a strong tank.  I own such a Proteus myself and it's a fine ship.  Still, in low-sec fights or high-sec war-dec situations where bubblers are non-existent and hictor pilots are rare, it's quite useful to have a dedicated heavy tackler.  The Lachesis and Arazu are both decent ships but both generally favor shield-tanking and sometimes what you want is a big scary armor HAC fleet.  This Proteus is a companion to such a fleet.

The tank is essentially identical to the gank Proteus, producing nearly 30000 armor HP and 82% or higher resists across the board with a link ship in support.  That's good for some 230k EHP which means once this Proteus tackles something, it's going to require a major fleet to peel it off.  Tech 2 Trimarks, Imperial Navy EANMs and C-type explosive hardeners are all coming down in price lately and are well worth the expense given this ship's dangerous role.  The six Heavy Neutrons are also comparable to the gank fit, though this version has only one MFS.  As such, it's "only" good for about 550 DPS before over-heating.  There are other major differences from the gank-fit brawler as well.

The little-used Gravitational Capacitor subsystem has an important role in this fitting: it boosts the ship's warp speed to 5.2 AU/s in the hands of a skilled pilot.  That and the relatively quick align time will make this Proteus the first ship to land on the field after an initial tackle is established.  That leaves three open slots in the mids available for tackle, which I've filled with a long-range True Sansha point and scrams.  Overheated and without links, those are good for 50km and 20km ranges respectively.  Loki links increase those values to 66km and 27km.  As a result, this Proteus can easily hold the three most expensive enemy ships on the field down for the rest of the fleet.  The very solid buffer will keep the Proteus alive until the rest of the fleet arrives.  Armor reps, once they land, will make this tackler nearly impossible to kill except under overwhelming enemy DPS.  That goes a long way to protecting the investment you've made in the costly tackle mods.

And you will have to splurge on at least a few such faction mods.  Without them, this Proteus is CPU-constrained.  You'll also need at least Advanced Weapon Upgrades III to make this fit work.  Those things said, the role of "first on the field heavy tackle" is probably not one you want to take without solid SP and a pretty good bank account backing you up.  Fit a faction or dead-space MWD, BTW.  They don't give you any extra speed.  But they do cut down the major capacitor penalty associated with MWD fits.  And you'll need the extra cap in this role.

The best-in-class drone bay gives you a lot of options.  I like Valkyries and some EC drones, but it might be worth playing with a flight of medium web drones if you want to emphasize the tackle role.(1)  I also recommend a Quafe Zero booster both for speed and for quicker locking.  Synth Mindflood is also useful in this fit for a little bit of extra cap.  The easiest way to peel you off of your targets is by neuting you out.  As a result, you might consider replacing one of the scrams with a Small Capacitor Booster if you're going to be facing a lot of neut-heavy ships.

The bane of this fit is 100MN AB Tengus which this Proteus will find impossible to keep tackled.  Still, with armor links, this ship has a 94% Kinetic resistance and as a result the Tengus can't do much harm to the Proteus either.  That's pretty much the only weakness, though.  Anything else this Proteus tackles is in big trouble.

Every once in a while, the FOTW around here is "expensive, but worth it!"  This ship falls into that category.  Spending extra on faction tackle mods and defenses will make this ship more survivable and make it more likely that you'll bring it home at the end of the roam.  And for your opponents, there are few things worse than having a massively tanked heavy tackle ship land on their face at the beginning of a fight.  If your FC really wants to demoralize your opponents, he'll comp a couple of these monsters.  That's the lives of six enemy ships in his hands.

Point!


(1) Don't bother with the small ones.  They're worse than useless.



All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.

4 comments:

  1. Good fit, Jester, +1 to concept at the least. One of the best bait ships there is. Perfect capture of the philosophy that rewards this ship.

    About the only thing I'd suggest is that I've seen similar which may drop one of the points in favor of a faction web, or a cap booster is the pilot is cap conscious; but that's an issue of taste (as is some of the variance you may see in the tank fittings).

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  2. T2 plates were buffed recently, so you could switch the meta 1600 to T2 version for even more tank.

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    1. The newly-buffed T2 plates are excellent on battleships, not so great on cruiser hulls where they really slow you down (they're much heavier).

      On cruiser hulls like tech3s, I like Federation Navy 1600mm plates, which are actually lighter than normal. There isn't enough grid on this fit to make it work, though.

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  3. While your fit isn't bad, it's really trying to fill too many roles at once. Also, it crumples under almost any kind of ewar.

    For a heavy tackler proteus you want:


    [Proteus, Fleet - EWAR PIMP]
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
    Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
    Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane

    Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
    Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
    Domination Warp Disruptor
    Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
    Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

    Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
    Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
    Corpii A-Type Small Nosferatu
    Corpii A-Type Small Nosferatu
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

    Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
    Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
    Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
    Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
    Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

    This is what I use for tackler proteus (and what I have my corp use).

    It is still slightly vulnerable to neuting, but much less, has superior EHP, and unlike most tackle proteuses, is extremely hard to jam. An experienced WH'er will know that any t3 utilizing it's racial ewar(webs, tackle, ecm) does NOT have the dissolution sequencer sub in, meaning it has sub-par SS - aka put ecm drones/ecm on it for easy jam. We often fight heavily outnumbered, and the prevalence of falcons/ecm drones combined with low overall numbers makes ECCM a must for most fights. As you mentioned, this fit would work nicely for tackling random idiots in hisec, and maybe versus ewar-weak groups in losec, but for more srsbsns pvp, it will find itself rather useless, and easily ignored once capped/jammed. (Or simply destroyed as after being capped out, you have a explo resist hole due to :lolactiveresist: )

    -Lord's Servant

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