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I'm your host, Jester. I've been an EVE Online player for about six years. One of my four mains is Ripard Teg, pictured at left. Sadly, I've succumbed to "bittervet" disease, but I'm wandering the New Eden landscape (and from time to time, the MMO landscape) in search of a cure.
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Friday, August 10, 2012

Kill of the Week: High-sec Awox

So, I hate to do this, but if I don't pick this one, I'm not doing my job with this feature:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14210105

A year ago, I told the story about what an awoxer is.  As I said then...
I amused myself by submitting the word "awoxer" to urbandictionary.com and was rather surprised when my definition was accepted and published.  As I posted there, an awoxer is a short-term spy that, once accepted to your corp, goes after your corp's ratters or miners, attempting to sow mistrust.
At the time, I neglected to mention the fact that awoxers are just as valid in high-sec corps.  Hell, with the number of expensive missioning and incursion ships in high-sec corps, awoxing makes more sense in high-sec corps.

That's what happened here.  Apparently, this guy's CEO decided to accept a new member into their high-sec corp based on the strength of one short roam into w-space.  Since this potential new corp member didn't immediately gank the guy in w-space, obviously he's trustworthy.

Good corporate security, this is not.  ;-)

Anyway, what happened next is recorded for posterity... literally.  There's a recording of this guy's corp comms in the aftermath of the loss.  Unfortunately, it's the most pathetic display of whining that I've ever heard, and I've heard a lot of it over the years.  This poor guy almost literally emotionally comes apart.  If you are a fan of tears, this is your Mecca.  Again, I hate to highlight it: it's kind of sad.  But this is definitely the kill of the week.

The other truly sad part of this is that the guy apparently decided to leave his corp after the incident.  Who knows if he'll keep playing.  And EVE players being EVE players, he's becoming a figure of fun on a number of levels...

Sorry for your loss, Shade, but awoxing is part of EVE.  For the rest of you, feel free to learn from this example.

29 comments:

  1. Jester - your reference to this killmail has totally crashed eve-kill MySQL DB... LOL! good one, btw!

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  2. I told it 100 times but I will do it 101th since hope never dies: if you are a highsec PvE player, you should be in an NPC corp. The 11% missioning/bounty tax is nothing compared the risks of wardecs, awoxes and simply idiotic corpies wasting your time. If you are a miner/trader (in highsec), joining a player corp has zero benefit. If you mean mining seriously you'll need your own fleet anyway.

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    1. *risk averse geigercounter ticking furiously*

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    2. Not true. In this case, none of the basic security measures known to corps across the game were utilized.

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    3. Or just make a one man corp. It costs a few million ISK. If someone wardecs it, dissolve it, go NPC for a week, and make another.

      Keep an eye on notifications, so you don't leave the dock while a wardec is on you ... you have 24 hours to kill the corp before the war goes active.

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    4. @Kristopher - Why kill the corp when you get wardec'ed?

      I've got two corps, each with a perma-docked trading/manufacturing/PI alt as CEO. If one corp gets wardecced, I just move my main to other. The aggressor's wardec fee is then totally wasted.

      An aggressor could wardec both corps but that would be pretty stupid to just inconvenience me, and it has never happened yet. If it does happen, I'll just create a third corp, and so on. It costs less to create corps than it does to wardec them, and it is cheaper than paying 11% to an NPC corp.

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    5. First rule of engagement
      * NEVER FLY WHAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE

      Second rule of engagement
      * NEVER FLY WITH SOMEONE WHO YOU DON'T TRUST

      Third rule of engagement
      * SHIT HAPPENS DEAL WITH IT

      Forth rule of engagement
      * RESEARCH WHO YOU INVITE TO BOTH ALLIANCE,CORP, FLEET.


      as I see it breach of first and second and fourth rule. and he did pay the consequenses for it and didn't follow the third rule.

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  3. Oh dear. As long as people like this keep entertaining their gankers the ganking will never stop. I think the Goons have the right idea in that if someone loses something like this everyone laughs. The game would have been more fun here if people had been a bit more cheerful about it, the recording sounds like a funeral. It is only a game. Besides 3 bill? Isn't that like a month of incursions?

    Is it just me or was it a borderline failfit? Tech 2 launchers and ridiculously overpriced hardeners? Wouldn't a bling-fit incursion runner have good dps and just enough tank? It's 2b worth of tank on a 3b ship that would always be repped by Guardians.

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    1. its common among bears to overestimate the value of a huge tank
      nothing borderline about it

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    2. Don't think of it so much as a failfit - think of it more like someone completely failing to adjust their regular-MMO mindset to Eve.

      In any other game, you want the absolute best gear you can, without exception. That sword does 1% more damage? Use it! It's not even really a decision that requires any thought.

      Eve has two major hurdles for that train of thought, and they both collide in spectacular fasion: the first is that no matter how much you spend on your ship, you can (and probably will) lose it at some point. The second is that the top-of-the-line mods are obscenely expensive for what can be a relatively minor statistical increase. Worth it for Titans? Definitely. Worth it for a Faction Battleship? Not even a little bit.

      This guy clearly didn't even entertain the idea that he could lose his ship. He truly thought that he could buy his way to immortality, and the way he impotently sputters and rages and nearly cries on comms is nothing more than him having to face that concept.

      The fact that Eve's harshness isn't exactly a secret is what makes it so completely hilarious as well :v

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  4. wow. he's on a rampage. I was thinking he's joining and leaving corps rapidly just to hide his griefer past. but, no, i guess carebears really don't do basic screening. There's no excuse really with evewho out there nowadays.

    As for sympathy? hell, gecko's employment history should have been a red flag. he's also got a forum footprint.

    I have to say the victim did sound like he'd grinded his way to earning that ship. It's also impressive this carebear corp has voice comms...i thought hardcore carebears used text comms.

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    1. Shade Mokashi didn't grind his way to anything. He has a ton of isk, all of which he got by buying PLEX for RL cash.

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  5. *sigh* nothing compares to that miner whining though. omg the tears were glorious. Does anyone have a bookmark to that old comms recording of that osprey miner in low sec who raged?

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  6. has anybody done an "arts and crafts" project to remix this guys rage?

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  7. I do feel sorry too for this guy/kid especially if its true he finances his ships with PLEX like every1 sayz. Its with these PLEXes he buys though how Incursion runners keep thier booster alts running for free so shaming him too badly & making him too much a pirahha is a bad thing for Eve if he quits. I hopes he gets at least a PLEX worth of pity donations from all the peeps that get a laugh (or a tear)out of his misery.
    Some1 contracting his gankers corpse to him might keep him in the game for a while longer so he can buy more delicious PLEXes for my precious Tengu Booster

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  8. Wow listening to that was obnoxious! Reminds me of a little kid who doesn't get the soccer ball in a game and starts crying about it. HTFU, we've all done stupid crap, or gotten crapped on by other EvE players, deal!

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    1. *shrug* he'll probably quit the game. just natural for an 'achiever' to quit because of 'killer' types. hopefully there's enough game design to attract more achievers.

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  9. Really when you fit 3bil worth of deadspace gear to your ship your asking to get ganked one way or another. As much as I might like to feel sorry for him its hard when he obviously broke the first rule; don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
    Shade, I don't know if your quitting EVE or not over this but if you're not I hope you learned a valuable - if somewhat over-priced - lesson from all of this.

    props to the awox who scored the loot! 2bil because you didn't shoot someone in a wormhole, thats quite the achivment.

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  10. PLEX-fund baby got exactly what he deserved.

    Fucking "I'ma pay-to-win!" carebear scrub, deserves no sympathy.

    (By the way, level 4s are not tough enough to need a tank like that.)

    The SoundCloud is hilarious, by the way.

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  11. "Sorry for your loss, Shade, but awoxing is part of EVE. For the rest of you, feel free to learn from this example."

    Learn what, exactly? If there's a cure for awoxing, thieves, and the rest of it, I'd like to hear it. "Corp security" is a joke at best. It's easy enough to build a clean alt with a real past and fast track it using euni into any number of alliances to build one's reputation. Want to get ISK to your spy toon without tainting your record? Simple. Create an alt on the same account, transfer PLEX to the alt from your main account, have the alt reverse redeem the PLEX, biomass the alt, "well i bought a couple of GTC. i converted them and sold the PLEX for ISK. That's how I got that ISK mr. recruiter. my wallet will actually back me up perfectly." You can't keep them out. So, again, what is it we're supposed to learn?

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    1. How about "don't fit two billion ISK to a ship that doesn't need it" for a start?

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    2. srsly? That's the best response you can come up with? I'm surprised at you, Jester. They can awox any ship, not just, what... unnecessarily fit ones? How about freighter awoxing? JF awoxing? Just admit you spoke off the cuff.

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    3. Its called "managing risk". In the example that Jester used, personal asset risk: don't fly shit you can't do without/easily replace. Other techniques such as not displaying extravagant personal ship fitting, being aware of surroundings (why is my corpmate that just joined in a mission with me in my belonged out ship?). Putting anything in space is at risk getting blown up, be it suicide gank, awoxing, being a retard in PvE (risking a multibillion isk ship in an unknown mission), etc.

      Corp leadership was derptastic for not even doing a very basic killboard history search before accepting Gecko, among other failures that others have posted about.

      THAT is what Jester (and I) mean by "learn from this".

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  12. Why do people fit this kind of stuff to mission running boats?

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    1. They like the 'omni' tank. Rather than switching for different missions they fit umpteen hardeners so they won't need to switch.


      He has the ACR rig when even without AWU at all he should have had enough power for that set up. Coupled with a highly mobile ship with no propulsion mod this is a few levels of fail combined.

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    2. Ridiculusly overtanked if i may say my meaning and i normaly over tank by quite a margin but there is no gank only tank on that ship .....

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  13. Really wouldn't feel sorry for this guy. He was an ass whilst in my corp. We kicked him eventually. No pity the game is much better without him.

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  14. Always makes me wonder why people do that for a mission boat when a lot less will do the job and maybe take 1-3 minutes longer to complete. In most cases, better player skills like preperation, research and training plans will yield a lot more than that half bil weapon mod with it's .05% better increase over a 100 mil faction mod or some such. Hell, there isn't a huge change over tech II mods that can't be made up by better piloting in the PVE world. Statistics are great but seriously, 3 times the cost to get 1% more payout, 2% maybe? It will take a long time to grind back that increase and make it pay.

    Now in PvP, welllllllll, it can be the difference in a killmail vs a lossmail. Though in most cases better pilot skill will make the difference there too.

    Deth Delkanara

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  15. Ripard/Jester,

    Please do a feature article on how to do research on potential corp members. Learning how to use the API, evewho.com, killboards etc to research the back ground of potential member is critical to good corp management.

    Also what particular steps you take to ensure security and stability. This would be most helpful.

    Galendil

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