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Wednesday, October 17, 2012

Fit of the Week: Small gang Scimitar

You know, it surprises me that I've never gotten around to a good PvP Scimitar fitting.  Here you go:

[Scimitar, Buffer Scimi]
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Large Shield Extender II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
200mm AutoCannon I, EMP S

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Warrior II x4


This is a tight fit.  It needs Energy Grid Upgrades V right out of the gate.  And if you don't have Shield Upgrades V, you'll have to downgrade the gun to the smallest AutoCannon available, but that's OK.  You're obviously not flying a Scimitar for DPS.  The point to the gun is to get on kill-mails until CCP gets around to correcting the fact that logi aren't on kill-mails.  Otherwise, this fitting is about two things: staying in the fight as a healer, and staying alive while staying in the fight.

If you have the fitting skills though, this is a high-resist, high-buffer fit: 41k EHP.  It's lowest un-boosted resist is to Kinetic damage, so you'll have to be careful of Drake spam for a few more weeks (after that, you can stay out of their range).  But on the modern EVE battlefield, the two bigger dangers to logi are alpha and neuting.  So a lot of speed and range is called for, as well as a good buffer to avoid being blapped off the field by Tornadoes or Oracles.  This fit can do that admirably.  Logi cargo is usually empty on the trip out, so it's handy to have a cap booster both to ensure the reps keep running and the resists keep operating.  Being cap-stable is a luxury that you don't really have to buy.  If you can stay in a fight for three or four minutes, that's plenty.  If you need more time than that, bring Basilisks instead.

While it's easy for AB-fit Scimis to fit four reppers, it's tougher for a MWD one to do so.  It can be done, but it requires sacrificing a lot of buffer to do it which isn't a smart move in the face of modern volley ships.  It doesn't help you to have four reps if you get blapped right off the field before you can apply them...  So for the moment, three reps is pretty standard for PvP Scimitars.

You can carry shield repair drones if you like, but a lot of roaming Scimitars carry some damage drones and a flight of armor drones instead.  That gives you the potential to field-repair armor damage that might get inflicted during fights.  This is particularly handy in fights in sov null-sec space where station repairs may not be available.

Carry a single Mindflood and X-Instinct booster in cargo for your biggest fight.  The first will give you a little more cap.  The second will somewhat reduce your signature radius, particularly under MWD.  They're both very handy for this ship given its cap use and three mods producing sig bloom.

In addition, do remember that after December 4, you're going to have to be a little more careful about how you use this ship.  Repping will cause you to inherit the flags that the ships you rep do, with the same timers on those flags.  If they're firing weapons, effectively so are you.  That means no jumping and no docking.  If they're Suspect, so are you.  That means anyone can shoot you.  Et cetera.  This "flag inheritance" will take away the logi's main defense right now, which is to orbit the nearest gate at 500m, wait to get primaried, wait to get reduced to 40% shields or so, then jump.  Unless you're not providing reps for at least 60 seconds, you won't be able to do that any more.  Instead, you're going to have to burn to the edge of the battle and try to stay out of the effective range of your attackers.

All in all, a single Scimitar is the perfect companion to a small (10-12 ship) roaming gang... until December 4.  At that point, the Scimitar will become pretty much useless and you'll want to throw them in your hangar and forget about them for a year or two.  More on that in my next post.


All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.

14 comments:

  1. "...gun is for getting onto kill boards"

    Right there you lost me.

    Who in there right mind cares about kill board stats? I sure as hell don't.

    To me, along with Supercaps, kill board whoring is the greatest threat to EVE. Nothing makes wankers more risk averse than the possibility of losing a ship and ruining their monthly totals.

    Get rid of kill boards altogether.

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  2. I never liked having whore guns on a scimitar. You can just as easily fit a smaller rep there, which helps keep the rest of the fleet alive longer. I guess that's just a preference thing though.

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    1. You've hit it exactly, it's a preference thing. I spent almost a year flying ungunned logi, though, which is why I smirk when asked about my Battleclinic rating...

      Sooner or later, someone's gonna ask why you're not on the KB.

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  3. "But on the modern EVE battlefield, the two bigger dangers to logi are alpha and neuting."

    I would say that ECM is just as big a danger, especially in small-scale PVP. I never take a logi out without ECCM any more.

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    1. You're not wrong. But these days an FC faced with a lot of ECM on the other side will just disengage, making whether you're jammed or not at least somewhat irrelevant.

      In addition, post-Retribution, jamming logi isn't going to be as automatic as it has been in the past. After all, if you jam them, they have the right to jump away from the fight whereas if you keep them repping all you have to do is catch them.

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    2. What do you mean by "have the right to jump away"? Jump through gates? I haven't read anything about ECM dropping aggression on the target.

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    3. Necro, but: he means they can just warp away when they're jammed without being detrimental to the fleet.

      If you catch a logi, they die.

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  4. Bad for a few reasons:

    1) No ECCM
    2) Why have a Cap Booster - if you're in a solo Scimitar and you're getting neuted, you are screwed. Replace with mid slot ECCM
    3) Shield Resist rigs bloom your signature radius so you die faster to Drakes, Tier3s etc.

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    1. there are different scimi fits for different scales of fights, and in jester's case its small gang, so it calls for a different way of fitting the ship.

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    2. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Suleiman+Shouaa

      Pretty much all I fly is small gang. The fitting changes I pointed out are all aimed at small gang.

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  5. Shit fit:

    1) Fit 4 large transfers
    2) Fit ECCM
    3) Make it capstable with mods, it's perfectly possible.

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    1. Quite possible, yes. And then after you get blapped off the field by one, maybe two Tornadoes, you'll decide maybe you should refit.

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    1. You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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