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Thursday, November 22, 2012

Fit of the Week: Salvage Myrmidon

"That ship can do that?" month continues, this time with a PvE-focused fit.  With Retribution finally, finally releasing the long-awaited salvage drone and the Catalyst about to lose its small drone bay, it's sort of my last chance to trot out a goofy little creature: the salvage Myrmidon.  This one has a story, that starts in the dawn of mission-running.  Keep in mind as you read that all of this is long before the Noctis was ever dreamt of by CCP.

Back in those cold, dark days when tractor beams were fitted to Ravens and before every mission-runner had a salvage alt, someone got the cute idea to fit salvagers and tractor beams to destroyers.  They had eight high slots, after all: perfect for four of each.  Salvage destroyers quickly became a thing and they were so easy to train into.  And over time, that's what encouraged a lot of high-sec players to actually get a second account in the first place.  A cheap alt could follow the mission-runner around in said salvage destroyer and greatly increase the missioner's income, more than doubling ISK/hour.  That more than paid for the cost of the account... and later caused CCP to nerf salvaging because some players were becoming wealthy (for that time) using this tactic.

It was quickly decided which destroyers were particularly bad at this (Coercers) and which were particularly good at it (Catalysts).  The funny thing about the Catalyst, though, is that it had a drone bay.  And in those ancient days, some beneficiary to the missioning community figured out that you could put a drone in it.

Because every person in a mission that shoots a rat gains both bounty and sec status regardless of the amount of damage done, this created an entire generation of alts that had high sec statuses.  These alts also later contributed to the creation of a lot of corporations for players needing high standings with this or that faction.  The Catalyst itself also added a tiny bit of DPS, and encouraged players to further train these alts into other pursuits.

Initially, that meant looking for ways to add even more DPS to missions.  The Catalyst could scarcely tank a level 4 mission, so a lot of players turned to battle cruisers, including the Hurricane (which could fit four salvagers and four tractors beams and added 100 DPS in drone damage) and the Myrmidon:

[Myrmidon, Salvage Myrm]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

100MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Salvager II
Salvager II
Salvager II
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I
Medium Salvage Tackle I

Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x5
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot I x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Today, this fit seems ridiculously quaint.  Still, at the time, there were a ton of them out there.  The mid-slot tank was sufficient to tank most L4 missions, particularly with the PDS's increase to shield buffer.  Nanofibers both increased the ship's speed and improved the align time made high by that 100MN Afterburner.(1)  The Expanded Cargohold made the ship's cargo capacity equal to the Catalysts it was replacing.  The large Myrmidon drone bay added not only some 225 DPS to a mission, but also the possibility for emergency reps thanks to a flight of shield bots, and the ability to repair damaged drones either on the main missioning ship or the Myrm.

The only downside of this fit, in fact, was that it had only six high slots for salvagers and tractor beams, but good flying could overcome that small weakness and the additional Myrm DPS more than made up for it.

Again, this isn't anything that I'd recommend people fly today (unless you really want to).  This kind of fit is part of EVE's history and just a fun little "that ship can do that?" sort of fit.  Still, a lot of pilots that flew this Myrm and the Hurricane that mirrored them went on to be Dominix and carrier pilots, or full L4 mission BS pilots, or full PvP pilots in their own right.  All it took was the encouragement to go ahead and get a second account... and then to train that salvage pilot to be useful in other areas since you had the account anyway.

All in all, this is just a goofy little bit of EVE history that I thought some of you might enjoy.  And when the various BCs get their upgrades next year, who knows, this kind of fit might even become viable again for a new generation of players.


All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.


(1) Matter of fact, this type of salvaging battle cruiser was the first ship type I heard about that used an over-sized AB.

19 comments:

  1. Way before my time but an interesting read. Perhaps you can explain the Hurricane gas harvester fit someday. I've always wondered why people did that.

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    1. If I was betting man I'd bet it's because you can't fit 5 gas harvester IIs, a cloak, and a core probe launcher on anything smaller than a BC. Not sure why you would use a cane over a cyclone or other cheaper tier 1 BC, but a cane works just as well.

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    2. Gas canes arnt old people still use them. Gas harvesters are turrets and you can fit a max of 5 with skills. The cane is used because it has a good cargo bay and enough turret slots

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    3. There's a gas-harvesting Moa FOTW on this blog if you want to search for it. I cover the advantages the Moa brings over a BC gas-harvester. That'll probably the the only gas-harvesting FOTW I ever do.

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  2. Drone ships could make a comback with the new salvage drones. The new amarr destroyer is supposed to ba a drone boat. It won't beat a noctis, but it could be a cheap post misson salvager.

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  3. What would you fly now if you couldn't afford, or didn't have the skills to fly, a Noctis?

    I have a fairly new alt and was planning to use a Vexor with the new salvage drones as a cheap entry into this kind of tactic.

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    1. Dessie - the Catalyst, in particular.

      Before the Noctis, this was the preferred salvaging ship, due to the number of high slots for salvagers and tractors, and the relatively large cargohold for holding NPC loot. In fact, before the dessie and hybrid buffs, this was the *only* use for Catalysts.

      Put cargo expanders in the lows, and a MWD in the mids. Cap recharger or battery is nice, 'cause the salvagers are a bit of a cap hog.

      And, if you can afford small cargo rigs, you can configure a max cargo Catalyst to salvage/loot an entire L4 mission, without making multiple trips to the station to unload the loot.

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  4. I was going to ask what the point was of the 100MN afterburner, but that was back when mission zones shut down MWD's, wasn't it?

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    1. Yep, correct. These days if you were going to fly this ship, you'd probably fit a MWD, some T2 Tractors, and maybe even a Drone Damage low instead of one of the nanos.

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  5. WTH?!?!?!?! A salvage fit on Thnx Givin Day? What kind of Turkey fit is this? Come'on I wants more stuffing :)
    ~DarthNefarius
    ps: For Black Friday howz about a black ops fit?

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  6. I hope with the release of Retribution Team Klung allows the new jukebox or whateverits called to play the theme music from the old sitcom Sanford & Son while you are salvaging :D
    ~DarthNefarius

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    1. actually, unless they've changed it, you can set up the jukebox to play your own music..

      http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jukebox

      nothing like flying a long-trained ship out of my hangar to the tune of 'also sprach zarathustra' (sunrise fanfare - 2001 space odyssey)

      so all you'd need would be to get the sandford and son mp3 and you could play it whenever you want.

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    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cknlxg4vb8&feature=fvwrel

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  7. I think that this fit will actually be much more viable now that Rats will switch targets in retribution. It will be a very useful ship to put newer guys in for exploration and mission running.

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  8. Catties did great indeed, later teh cane did nice as well (way more cargospace)

    Btw, did the part 4 of the implants get sidetracked? ;)

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    1. Nope, still coming, maybe this weekend. Guides are the most technical posts around here, and I don't post them until I'm sure they're 95% or more correct. With a piece of a guide with a main section called "Industry implants", that's taking a bit longer than normal. ;-)

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    2. Hope you mention in Industry Impants that the Harvestor set looks to be the most useless set in all of Eve.

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  9. Ahhh the good old days, I still have my salvage Catalyst and Hurricane lying around somewhere...

    With the advent of the Noctis I trained my slavaging alt up into the Noctis and then onto Command Ships, to be used as On Grid Booters. Yes I know an Off Grid T3 would give better boosts but the alt got standings which helped with Datacore farming and added some DPS to the mission + CC's have tanks like a brick and could be used as an aggro magnet and anchor for my main to orbit.

    Alt is currently finishing training to have perfect Leadership skills and then its onto Logistics training.

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  10. Thank you for the history lesson, very entertaining :)

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