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Saturday, February 16, 2013

Think of the children

If you're easily offended, please move on to the next post.  I'm going to be more than a little bit irreverent.

This just makes me laugh: Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

Or perhaps you prefer The Guardian's version.

Here's the money quotes, all from the Prime Minister of Iceland:
"But surely if we can send a man to the moon, we must be able to tackle porn on the Internet."
and another:
"This material is blurring the boundaries for young people about what is right and wrong."
and another:
"Research shows that the average age of children who see online porn is 11 in Iceland and we are concerned about that."
and another:
"We are a progressive, liberal society when it comes to nudity, to sexual relations."
Anyone finding their boundary of what is right and wrong being tested?  ;-)

The Guardian had this to say: "Not all the experts agree with the idea that porn is bad."  Yup.  Including virtually every serious FC in EVE, ever.  I assure you that porn fleets are a thing.  Watching CCP try to ban that would be amusing in the extreme.

Iceland is weird.

34 comments:

  1. As a member of TEST I feel that CCP might have trouble enforcing that in our fleet chats.

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    1. one guy got a 14 day ban for posting the fish in butt picture in a fleet (not in local)

      ccp answered a petition that posting such stuff even in a private convo can lead to a ban.

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  2. Heh. Yeah. I read that a few days ago and immediately tweeted:

    "Iceland banning internet porn? Good luck with that tiny island nation."

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  3. "But surely if we can send a man to the moon, we must be able to tackle porn on the Internet."

    Who is "we"? When did Iceland send a man to the moon?

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    1. Yeah, I don't seem to recall that either.

      How few problems do you have to have in order for this to become a high priority?

      Hopefully this ban goes as well as their banking efforts did.

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    2. Read up your history. Anywhere that gets discovered anywhere always turns out to have been visited by Vikings first.

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    3. We have sent a man to the moon.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarni_Tryggvason

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  4. /o\ Our fleet chat porn! How are TESTies going to join fleets now?

    Also, I thought the servers aren't in Iceland, wouldn't Icelandic law not apply then?

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  5. I wonder if Fanfest would sell out again, if that law passed.

    Iceland would also have to shutdown all the file sharing sites as well to block porn. I bet hollywood might move their base of operations there if they did that.

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  6. As a parent my self I can just say "Where is the parents in all this?"

    Honestly this is a parental issue not a governmental issue. If I as a parent doesn't know what his/her child is doing on the computer the parents are to blame.

    But on the other hand FC in eve is seldom 11-13 year old and is not demographically correct when talking about internet porn.

    In my opinion as long as your adult and doesn't harm another one do what you want.

    on the matter of CCP enforcing it well I have no problem if there porn is sent to an all adult but spamming porn in local might get you banhammered if reported if one of the recipients are a child (below age of 18). From a mature player in a mature corp i love to get porn or hiddious spams in corp but we restrain our self from posting in fleets since you never know who is playing in other corps in the alliance.




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  7. "Including virtually every serious FC in EVE, ever. I assure you that porn fleets are a thing. "

    Can you explain to a non EVE player why they are a thing? Is it that fleet action needs people to hang around doing nothing for hours so they watch porn while they are waiting?

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    1. You've more or less got it, yes. Usually, there are contests, too. A judge is picked, a pool of ISK is provided by those that want to enter the contest, and the contestants post porn. The judge decides which link is best, and the winner gets the pool.

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  8. As a parent, I am concerned about the extremely easy access our children can have to inappropriate material. That being said, national legislation is no substitute for parental control of said access.

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  9. CCP hidden move to got 100% more subscribers. from women of course xD

    By the way I didn't knew Iceland sent people to the moon :P

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  10. Few people seem to want to go to the Moon since we invented Internet porn.

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  11. What's a porn fleet?

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    1. See above, in my response to Anon0404.

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  12. Not sure what's so strange about this? Feminism is big in Scandinavian countries, and a significant fraction of the feminist movement believes pornography is inherent degrading to women; i.e. is a social ill to be combated like child poverty or income inequality. They've been banging that drum since the seventies, at least.

    Whether you agree with that position or not, I don't think anyone should be surprised that a politician decided to pick that up and run with it eventually. ‾\(•∕•)/‾

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  13. I'm pretty sure the type of people who put a man on the moon are the type of people that will work to circumvent your porn ban, not enforce it...

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  14. "We are a progressive, liberal society when it comes to nudity, to sexual relations."

    In other words, if not for the prohibitive temperature everyone would be walking around naked, shagging on every street corner?

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  15. Arn't the servers based in London? So Would CCP have to do anything at all?

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  16. Well I don't know how to speak Icelandic but here in America you can't spell internet without R-A-P-E--P-O-R and N.

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  17. I seriously suspect that the moment Stanley Cohen's coffin has been lowered into the grave, he started rotating with enough energy to power a small island nation.

    The UK has dibs on that source of power though.

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  18. Presumably all that would happen is some of the sites linked would not work in Iceland. So a TEST fleet could stay full of such links and most players would still see what we've become accustomed to seeing.

    In fairness to viking people while they may repress porn they don't repress sex as much as most other western cultures. Guess Icelandic Eve players will just have to settle for the real thing!

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  19. I find it funny that the country that did put a man on the moon is also one of the largest content creators/distributors and consumers of porn......

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  20. Normally, I really like Iceland's politics. They handled the banking crisis better than any other country on the planet. They radically restructured their government, and they dedicated themselves to making legal language understandable to the common layperson.

    But this....

    This I just don't know about...

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  21. "Research shows that the average age of children who see online porn is 11 in Iceland and we are concerned about that."

    Meaningless statistic considering the average age of children old enough to use a computer is probably about 11 too.

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    1. Not true. This current (and maybe prior) generation of children are extremely technology savvy. My son was able to dual box a warden and necromancer on EQ2 and actually kill things (easy green and blue things, but nonethe less). He's been able to manipulate electronics since before he could talk =P

      Did he understand what he was doing? Not really, he was just imitating what buttons I told him to press and got excited when he killed something =P

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  22. Iceland has legalized prostitution right?

    Just checking to make sure we're talking about the same country.

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    1. Even if Iceland has legalized prostitution, I'm reasonably certain that Iceland has not legalized *child* prostitution.

      Internet porn bans are mostly targeted at making such material less accessible to young children, not adults. There are few parents in any country who believe that such material should be freely accessible to children of all ages.

      As for legalized prostitution, this is also a social responsibility issue.

      Legalized prostitution takes something that adults are doing anyways, has demonstrably been proven to be entirely futile to eliminate legally, and puts it in a framework where laws regarding abuse, health, communicable diseases and organized crime can be practically enforced.

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  23. You know, if this puts a damper on gross-out porn spamming and a few CFC/TEST pedophiles getting banned them I'm all for it!

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  24. "Watching CCP try to ban that would be amusing in the extreme."

    Not so amusing and not very difficult.

    The EULA already covers such situations, in multiple places - first, regarding offensive material, and second, regarding anything that violates local country laws. So, the legal standing of CCP to execute such bans has already been long-established.

    And since porn fleets are very public, and not a private discussion between two players, they are much easier to prove, which makes it far easier for GMs to jump in and start applying the banhammer.

    Note that the China server already does have such additional prohibitions against pornographic material - posting pornographic images will get you permabanned, not just tempbanned.

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