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Friday, April 12, 2013

Platform

At the Syndicate Competitive League this past weekend, CCP Dolan promised there would be additional CCP "get out the vote" motivation for the CSM8 election.  Apparently, this is it:


I have no words.

41 comments:

  1. You could have linked to exactly where he made that promise Ripard... ;)

    http://crossingzebras.com/2013/04/01/csm8-election-interviews-ccp-dolan/

    Anyway yes, as I recently blogged (along with Poetic and James315 yesterday coincidentaly - fools seldom differ?) CCP's promotional push for this year's election has been a joke. I expected much, much more after what Dolan and Fozzie both promised me in recent weeks on CZ podcasts.

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  2. Ah never mind - reread your post. Apologies. He also promised it on SCL.

    *will learn to read in future*

    Point still stands - CCP's CSM8 election campaign has been pisspoor.

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  3. The lack of imagination is stunning. I'm hoping this isn't 'it'.

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  4. This lack of get out the vote blitz just doubley reinforces my stance that CSM9 electtion has to have compulsory sufferage as the only way to counter voter apathy & low electoral turnout

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    1. Yes, because compulsory voting for CSM is going to 1) motivate people who don't care enough already to read up just a tiny bit on the candidates to become some parody of an informed voter and 2) not cause a ****storm of complaints on Eve-O about "Why can't I log in without doing this stupid survey! I just want to run my mission/mine/do PI!

      This is as awful an idea for good leadership in Eve as it is in RL. Inform the players, yes. Scream at them all over the place that there is an election going on and where you can vote and find out about the candidates, yes. Force people who don't care enough to click the link and fill out a ballot on their own to vote? No.

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    2. Compulsory voting does not counter voter apathy.

      The only way to improve voter turnout is to make the whole damn process more interesting and engaging to the player base at large.

      Perhaps a 1-on-1 PVP tournament between the candidates, streamed live, along with a live feed of the Local channel, so they can debate the issues while attempting to blow each other up?

      Or one group of candidates could be required to mine in high sec, while another group attempts to gank them, and a third group attempts to defend the miners? Each group would be required to take on each role, in turn, to prove/disprove that all of their yak about ganking, mining, and defending miners isn't all hot air.

      And, definitely, absolutely, do *not* make it more like RL elections. RL elections have an appalling voter turnout, and you'd never want to mimic a system which doesn't work. That is just plain stupid.

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  5. nobody has them... welcome to the club

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  6. This seems like a weak "call to arms" - lackluster is the only thing that comes to mind.

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  7. Space democracy is clearly in capable hands...

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  8. ....... yeah.... really motivating...

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  9. I have a word: LAME.

    Or another: UNINSPIRING.

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  10. lol... what did you expect? Dolan and Xhagen do not care if anyone votes or not, since the Iceland slate has already been pre-selected. As others have pointed out, Dolan can proxy any uncommitted votes, and there is no way for any of us to detect any election tampering. Especially since the candidates just need to be elected by any margin; they do not actually need to get the highest votes or be chairman to go to Iceland. The election is just a sham.

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    1. I've heard this too, from a current CSM member. WTF?

      Has anyone asked for more transparency regarding this election? How do we know that votes are actually being counted fairly?

      I don't trust Dolan, either - not after that funny business with the NEO slot auction.

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    2. "Dolan can proxy any uncommitted votes". "I've heard this too, from a current CSM member. WTF?"

      How would he do that, given that he had no hand in programming the election software?

      Here, a tinfoil hat for both of you.

      "Has anyone asked for more transparency regarding this election? How do we know that votes are actually being counted fairly?"

      Read the white paper. They will publish the ballots, they will publish the Wright-STV counting program. Very easy to verify the *counting*, especially since there is already an independent implementation for testing.

      As for how to know there isn't any tempering with the votes themselves: well, if you don't trust CCP enough, you shouldn't install their game and play it connecting to their servers. You know, they already installed a backdoor on your PC, spying on you. :-P

      Or as someone else said: If CCP didn't want the CSM as it is, there are easier ways for them to achieve this.

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    3. @Anon606 - There will be no tampering with the votes actually cast by players. Dolan will simply be casting unused votes, according to CCP's slate of preferred invitees.

      And, there won't be any trail, since any player who does not vote also happens to be a player who won't care that his/her vote was cast by proxy/default.

      And, there is nothing actually wrong or corrupt about this practice. Proxy voting by default is a standard practice, in RL.

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  11. Ha ha just an add for the HS stream !

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    1. Yep, the big promotional blitz for CSM8 was brought to you by PLEX for Fanfest

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  12. I'd like to have seen the conversation about this.

    "This is important! So, uh - anyone got a webcam? Somebody talk about it for like, 30 seconds."

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  13. Guys....it isn't DUST related....ergo it doesn't matter ATM. Once Dust crumbles we'll see CCP come back to us with hats in hand...Unfortunately by that time we'll all be in other games soooo...

    Ripard, I know you want to be a part of this, you NEED to be a part of this, but at the same time I do worry that this will be the "patient zero" for your eventual EVE demise. I think you'd be better serving us watching from the sided launching barbs, because I get the feeling once the curtain is fully pulled back....you sir will be disappointed and pissed...

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    1. You clearly aren't involved in the Dust community enough to realize that they are just as frustrated with the lack of CCP communication, and are most impressed with the work of CCP FoxFour and CCP Nullarbor, the two individuals working on the Dust link out of the Reykjavik office.

      In otherwords, its not like CCP's throwing everything they have at Dust at the expense of EVE Online. There's a very, very small number of devs in Iceland that have anything to do with Dust, they're all still working on Odyssey - and the best communication with the Dust community has come from EVE devs, as supposed to the Shanghai Dust devs. So no, EVE is by no means "on ice" or anything like that.

      And Ripard is already disappointed and/or pissed right now :) At least if elected to the CSM he has a much stronger voice in CCP's ear. I can tell you based on firsthand experience that "Sitting on the sideline launching barbs" is NOT an effective strategy where CCP devs are concerned. If the barbs are based on misinformation or incomplete information, they simply come across as a louder, more visible form of the "noise" that the CSM filters as part of their job and are not taken seriously by CCP anyways.

      If you respect someone's hard work for the community, elect them to the CSM. Plain and simple. If you think that someone's effectiveness is going to be diminished because they suddenly have access to more information and a direct line to the devs, you're crazy.

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  14. On the other hand, nice promo for the Fanfest HD Link.

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  15. And you are surprised?

    This is all part of the agenda to create the situation to destroy high sec.

    We have HBC Dolan and this other clown introducing a "voting" system that guarantees the null sec RMT cartels immense control over the CSM, while at the same time suppressing the vote of the causal player by making the system complex, increasing the overall percentage of votes cast by the null sec cartels.

    Then we have this lukewarm, at best, request to get people to vote, and already 2 weeks into the process.

    Then we have comments like Pandemic Legion Fozzie stating "if you don't vote, your opinion does not matter", and now, inside the resist nerf thread "if you don't like these changes, take it up with the new CSM".

    Given how much the devs like goon soundwave and the rest of his null sec zealot cadre hate high sec, I am just dying to hear about all the attacks on high sec in the weeks leading up to June 4th, and in reality, with the 2 subsequent releases, where the null sec zealot dev's can simply say "you don't like the changes to high sec? Too bad you didn't vote for more high sec members on the CSM...smirk"

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  16. Welcome to the ongoing saga of incompetence that is CCP Dolan.

    Let's see if we can get CSM voter turnout to be even lower than the turnout for the NEO.

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    1. Zero turnout would be best. The CSM is a joke. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    2. Well, I guess I ruined your zero-turnout wish, I'm sorry...

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  17. I voted for you Jester on the day voting opened.

    I am curious though...do you feel that CCP's lack of enthusiasm and promotion for this years CSM vote is an indication of how they feel about the role of CSM's? I mean, if they don't take the voting very seriously doesn't it beg the question of how seriously they view the position itself???

    Just wondering how you felt.

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  18. Oh, just started client and got a nice splash ad which basically said..

    It's CSM election time, so buy a dozen Plex.

    Brilliant...

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  19. CCP reps were joining local in hisec systems promoting the vote recently. Don't know how widespread it was, but there was more than that p.o.s. video.

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  20. Can anyone think of a more boring video ever created by CCP?

    Well it shows their level of respect for the CSM, compare that video to the one they did as an April fools joke.

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  21. They should do a few different videos one for each major part of the game. 0.0 , Low-sec, Empire, Worm Holes. And in each video have a different CCP talking about how the other parts of the game will get "ruined" if you don't vote for the candidate that best represents your viewpoint.

    Or you know just act excited... Or list CSM accomplishments... or not show a bunch of nerds sitting at a round table mostly.

    ~Kethry Avenger

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  22. This set of comments are your best ever. Rarely can you get such a concentrated set of crazy conspiracy theories all in one place.

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    1. Just because something is crazy does not mean that it isn't true.

      A long, long time ago, someone told me that CCP was going to spend most of its dev money & resources developing "Second Life in space" features. I called that crazy, but you probably know it better as "Walking in Station" or WiS.

      Then I heard another rumor that CCP was going to hire Michael BoltonIII. I called that crazy, too... and look what happened.

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    2. My response to that would be "Just because something might be true doesn't mean it is."

      Alternatively, "Just because some things were true in the past doesn't mean some other things are true now."

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  23. Dolan wasn't amused by this post and comments. He went home in a pout.

    Hope this doesn't hurt your chances of winning the election, Jester. Remember that he is the one who is counting the votes.

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    1. ::shrugs:: All I have to operate from is what Dolan says in public. Dolan said in public that there would be a significant CCP GOTV effort this past week. In public, this is all we got.

      Is it significant? It does not strike me such.

      With regard to the various conspiracy theories, I don't believe a one of them. If CCP was controlling the vote, on what sane planet does CCP choose Darius III to be a CSM representative... twice? This is the strongest possible evidence that I can think of that the elections are on the up-and-up.

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    2. "With regard to the various conspiracy theories, I don't believe a one of them. If CCP was controlling the vote, on what sane planet does CCP choose Darius III to be a CSM representative... twice? This is the strongest possible evidence that I can think of that the elections are on the up-and-up."

      Naive. In the past, CCP didn't care much about how the CSM elections went and, as a result, they got what Unifex and others consider to a "point of view which does not accurately represent the majority of the players". They intend to change this with this election, and will be picking who goes to Iceland to meet with them. To make this happen, the people whom CCP has already picked need to get elected. This part is rigged. The remaining seats? CCP doesn't care.

      Sane doesn't play into it, either. On what sane planet would someone actually hire Dolan?

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  24. Is anyone surprised by this? Seriously? The whole CSM concept is a joke, and I feel bad for anyone who wastes more than 3 seconds of 3 brain cells' worth of activity over it. FFS, Jester, you're smarter than to throw in with those clowns. I hope you DON'T get elected just so you won't be signing any NDA that would prevent you from doing what you do here so well.

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  25. check your eve mail.

    pushing the boat out now :-P

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  26. Oh that's a CSM summit in the video. Oops, I thought it was a Jenny Craig meeting.

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