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Wednesday, September 25, 2013

Fit of the Week: Odyssey Ishtars

And HAC month wraps up with the best HAC in the game, the Ishtar.  There is almost no bad way to fit this ship as long as you keep its bonuses in mind.  It does sooo many things ridiculously well.  There are lots and lots of fairly standard fits out there so instead I'd like to highlight a couple of goofy one-off uses.

Let's start with something fun for missioning, ratting, and other light PvE work:

[Ishtar, Rats Missions Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I

Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5


Let's start with the fun bit: 850 DPS.  From a cruiser.  Before faction ammo.  Squeee!  This is just crazy good.  Land, drop the sentries of your choice and start devastating cruiser and larger rats.  Meanwhile, the 220s are remarkably good at smiting down frigates as they close.  If you have fitting issues, feel free to trade them out for Dual 180s which are even better for frigate work.  Once the big stuff is dead, you can drop smaller drones to mop up if you need to.  But try to stick with sentries where you can: the rigs support this damage as does your best ship bonus.  However, the heavy drone bonus is also pretty nice.

Meanwhile, mitigate damage by burning around at 625m/s with good resists.  If you're fighting laser-armed rats, you'll probably have to trade one of the Invuls for an EM Ward.  Otherwise, you can probably just stick with double Invuls.  The Shield Power Relays will allow you to tank pretty well but really the important things are your small sig radius and your speed.

The last few utility slots in your drone bay are up to you.  If you're going to use this for ratting, carry EC drones.  If you're going to mission, salvage drones.  And of course, set your drone type to match the rats you're going to be fighting.  You're also going to have to keep a fairly close eye on the drones to make sure they don't take too much damage as they're wiping rats off the map.

EDIT 26/Sep/2013: Two other things: first, you can also carry some repair drones to keep your attack drones repaired between missions.  Second, don't be afraid to scoop your attack drones real quick if they get into trouble, particularly sentries.  Just order them back into the bay then fly into the cloud, pick them up, wait five or ten seconds for their shields to regenerate some, then put them back out.  Rinse and repeat.

There really isn't too much more to say about that goofy little fit so as a bonus, here's one that's even goofier:

[Ishtar, Damptar]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Bouncer II x5
Curator II x5
Berserker II x5


This is arguably the best damp ship in the game.  And it works really nicely with smaller armor HAC fleets.  The tank is a very solid 66k EHP before links or other bonuses with strong all-around resists.  Fit this way, you've got a very slight cap problem so mitigate it with the passive explosive resist module.

Once the fight starts, hang out next to the friendly logistics ships and ply your main trade: damping out enemy logi and e-war from a rather unexpected platform.  The fun thing about this ship in this role is how subversive it is.  Get someone to fit a few of the suddenly not-that-terrible Information Warfare links to boost your effectiveness.  This works particularly well if you can talk the same person into buying one of the Imperial Navy mind-links, which includes the bonus for InfoWar link effectiveness on top of Armored warfare bonuses.  Your full-strength damps even without bonuses are good at 54km with decent effectiveness right out to the extent of your lock range.

The main competition for the title of best damp ship in the game is the Celestis, which easily out-ranges you, but has half your tank.  The thing that your Ishtar brings to the party that a Celestis definitely can't is very acceptable damage of right around 400 DPS.  Beserkers are particularly amusing to use with this ship.  With the Drone Link Augmentor fit, you can just assist the Berserkers to your FC then concentrate on damps damps damps while you rack up kill-mails on both ends of the spectrum.  Alternately, launch the Bouncers or Curators and assist those to the FC instead.  As I said, your control range with this fit is beyond ridiculous.

As a result, this ship is providing an armor HAC fleet with three great advantages: a solid bait tank ship, great e-war, and quite acceptable damage that's always being applied where the FC wants it.  Can't really go wrong there!

Your neuts are strictly defensive to be used against anything that tries to tackle you but as long as you stick fairly close to your rep ships you should be OK as long as the rest of the fleet is doing well.  You're tankier than most HACs and this fit responds really well to reps.  Keep your MWD off as much as you can to keep your sig low and capacitor high.  Carry X-Instinct booster and Mindflood booster to increase your natural advantages.

There are lots and lots of great Ishtar fittings out there right now, so feel free to experiment!  As long as you focus on either sentry damage or heavy drones, there aren't too many ways you can go wrong.  In addition to being the best HAC in EVE Online, this is far and away the most versatile ship in the game right now.

Have fun!


All Fits of the Week are intended as general guidelines only.  You may not have the skills needed for this exact fit.  If you do not, feel free to adjust the fit to suit to meet your skills, including using meta 3 guns and "best named" defenses and e-war.  Ships can also be adjusted to use faction or dead-space modules depending on the budget of the pilot flying it.  Each FOTW is intended as a general guide to introduce you to concepts that will help you fit and to fly that particular type of ship more aggressively and well.

10 comments:

  1. a question, Jester, have you done any missioning since the AI changes. Because as far as it goes, you need micro management of drones in missions. particularly L4, heavies will get webbed and die fast. Rather than guns, I prefer RR in the highs. because even mediums will often get into armor during a mission before you can recall them.

    Plus without omni's in the mids, Sentries will be lack luster.

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    1. Yep, I have. It's why I say to drop sentries rather than heavies in the mission fit. They can cut things down pretty quickly while you orbit around them and you can scoop them back in quickly if one starts taking damage.

      I did forget to mention to carry rep drones, though. I'll add that.

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    2. i recently checed the pve fit and the second rig runs into stacking issues due to the damage augmentors would it not be better to get a scope chip for optimal with gardes?

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  2. I been doing L4s with Ishtars for years, and now so buffed, a 4th gun=33%bonus and trading a +CPU low slot for drone damage - sooo good.

    Don't get the hammerheads, mediums seem really good at dying. I'd rather have a spare Sentry, Heavy, some lights, and 3 light armour bots + ecm/salvage as you said.

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  3. You mean, lots of really great fits that will get the nerf hammer coming down hard on sentries.

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  4. For the PvE fit, you can drop the rigs for a third DDA that benefits all your drones and ups your DPS for sentries as well. Some purger or extender rigs will more than make up for the one lost SPR.

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  5. For PVE I am leaning more towards MWD+Armor tank fitting at the moment. This leaves room for at least two omnis in the mids. The applied DPS from Garde IIs is nothing short of amazing with this setup. Basically burn to Garde II optimal of 60K+ and wreck stuff as they come running for you. No need to re-fit, no need to swap drones. If you hate actual labor, this is the ship for you. ;)

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  6. Sweet FOTW! I wish I had the skills to use the Ishtar. I need that last level of Cruiser skill in Gallente. Been wanting to try it out. I love the flexibility of drone boats.

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  7. I really like having an omni tracker, the extra range takes gardes out to 50km, which is where a lot of BS like to orbit and extra tracking is always nice.
    It does hurt the tank though. You could go a bling deadspace active tank and get more tank and over 900 DPS, but that screams "gank me" and has little buffer. A cheaper option is a T2 sentry dmg rig and then either omni and T2 purger or T2 drone range. That keeps same DPS and only slightly weakens the tank to get the improved sentry range at a cost of 30-60m.

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  8. While I do like your PvP fit for small gangs (though I lack the experience to say how solid it is), I cannot really agree with your mission fit. Don't get me wrong, it's a okay-ish fit, and a passive shield one requires little attention to your tank.
    Having used an Ishtar for high sec exploration for quite a while, I definitely prefer an active armor tank. An armor repairer plus an active hardener leaves three low slots for DDAs, and allows you to fit one or two omnis, which increase the efficiency of your sentries even more. You can even dual-prop with that fit (as some sites in caldary space don't seem to allow the use of mwds, unfortunately).
    However, I might give a try to using 220s to get rid of those nasty frigs. Rails are nice for sniping, but sometimes they just get too close.

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