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Tuesday, December 17, 2013

Kill of the week: Friday the thirteenth

There's not much else I can pick...
https://www.pandemic-legion.com/killboard/view_kill.php?id=714923

The story is out on TMC and is realllly entertaining. GSOL, the logistics arm of Goonswarm, had been moving this freighter around with the intent of anchoring a station egg in Catch as a staging point for the continued CFC war effort there. However, they knew the freighter had been spotted and scanned by PL. So the GSF leadership was hesitant about trying the anchor without good control over the target system (it wasn't cyno jammed, for instance). "Let's listen to our intuition here," The Mittani says in the chat included in the article, "we can wait until we get the TCU and the jammer up." Another member of the leadership team has a different idea:
(1:17:27 AM) kcolor: get it into system, then make the decision
(1:17:46 AM) Innominate: if we dont have sov when we drop the egg, aa sov fuckup can mean losing the whole system
(1:17:51 AM) the_mittani: i've made the decision. we wait until we have the jammer. today feels wrong
(1:18:13 AM) the_mittani: let's not throw an egg after 13 rus supers
Only we know the story. Four minutes later, GSOL lights the cyno, the freighter goes in... surprise! PL hot-drop.

As a communications professional, this exchange makes me giggle. It's a pretty classic case of two people talking past each other. kcolor is saying "let's get the egg into the target system, then make the decision." I haven't talked to the man but from context, I think he means "let's get it into the system then decide whether to anchor it." Mittens, meanwhile, thinks he's being clear about ordering the freighter to stay where it is. From my read, kcolor saw the decision as "move the egg, don't anchor it." Mittens saw the decision as "don't move the egg." But critically, he never came right out and said "Safe log off the freighter now, we'll worry about this later."

Needless to say, the trolling started almost instantly. Happy Friday the Thirteenth!

Honorable mentions? Only a few this week.

Brave Newbies sometimes has fun with amusing concepts. This one made me laugh. The fitting that did it (it died a couple of hours later) has a certain ridiculous charm.

Know what the armor-tanking e-war tech3 strategic cruiser of choice is for all applications these days? Tengus. And it doesn't matter much if you want a jamming ship or a damp ship. The Tengu is still the best decision. This one kind of made me chuckle...

Finally, I cannot express how much this triple kill made me laugh. The Ishtar pilot was literally AFK making a sandwich and came back to see "gfs" in Local and three wrecks nearby. He doesn't seem to have even seen the fight. Ishtars too strong...


Number of dead super-caps last week: 14 (17?)

First up is this ratting Nyx, caught by a black ops drop in Feyth while ratting. It seems pretty routine all in all. Word has it he was AFK at the time, not that it would have helped him a whole lot. Here's a free tip: if you have a super and don't have a Mobile Depot (or three, or four) in its cargo bay, you are doing it incredibly wrong.

Remember how last week I said last year at this time was quiet for super kills, but those that did happen happened because someone somewhere thought quiet weeks would be good to drop supers on structures and kill them? ...yeah. A unsupported super bash -- on Friday the thirteenth! -- on an on-lining POS started the kill of these 11 supers, 10 Nyxes and a single Aeon. (Or it might have been 13. Or 14.) Here's the EN24 story with the details. Short version: unsupported supers killing structures, tackled, everyone in the world rushes toward the system to kill them, RUS doesn't respond quickly enough, server hiccups, dead supers. The only question is exactly how many died.

Next up is this entertaining Erebus lost by frequent Rote Kapelle opponent Clockwork Pineapple. This one fell to a baiting done right (and wrong). The system contained a Wyvern in a POS, so Cynosural Field Theory tried using a bait Phoenix hoping the Wyvern would leave its place of safety to kill the really bad dread. Instead, suddenly Erebus... that didn't have enough fuel to light the doomsday device. Of course, the Phoenix pilot's friends were ready for their bait to be swallowed and were charmed by the better-than-expected prize. There's a perfectly hilarious perspective from the killers on EN24.

Finally, a few hours before the deadline, this Nyx from one of my old corps Senex Legio died to a Shadow Cartel gank. I wasn't able to find any details on this one. Anyone know the story?

That's all for this week!

20 comments:

  1. Santo has quite a history on camping the lowsec stations with good influx of capsules in that tengu and smartbombing them. FW stations, for instance, where it is a safe bet to wait for FW pilots coming back after losing their ships, some of them in expensive pods. I lost a pod to him in Eszur, as well as some of my corpmates.

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  2. I don't know if Brave Newbies as an organization can claim credit - Santo Trafficante's an old member of The United who seems to specialize in smartbombing pods, often parking something like a disco TyFI across a choke point. His technique this time was basically to track a pod withdrawing from combat to reship, warp in ahead, then light the smartbomb before the target has a chance to react. Splat. Perfect no-risk kill.

    Until someone lights off a flare in the intel channels and calls in the clans, of course.

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  3. Out of curiosity, what is a tackled super supposed to do with a depot?

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    1. Refit. In this case, to a couple of neuts and a couple of smartbombs.

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  4. ECMGU that you linked is 100% normal fit in wspace t3 brawls.

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    1. I'm being told that on Twitter too, and it just stuns me. The resist profile on that Tengu is horrid and the double plate cuts almost 20% of its speed. And all this for about 150 million ISK more than is necessary. That leaves off the double small smart-bomb (pointless -- fit a medium or go home) and the double small NOS (which do absolutely nothing and is not needed by the ship at all).

      And this is considered the good fit? Yikes.

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    2. faction em smartbombs have more range then medium non faction smartbombs. and 2 ofthem is enough to get rid of all ewar and small combat drones.
      larger drones take more time to kill because ofthe low damage.

      i have no clue about wormhole pvp, but small faction em smartbombs are pretty good

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    3. I would agree, while it may be a normal fit it could be easily improved.
      This one is much better, http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20810539

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    4. I'm thinking that the other anom is saying the concept is completely normal, not necessarily the exact fit. Nos are odd to have, normally you're limited to a mix of med and light SBs. No idea about extra plate, I'd normally have a DC.

      Not sure why you think only tengus are used for ewar in armour fleet since they are only used for ECM. Lokis and prots fit web and point respectively while legions will fit whatever else (rem sebo, td, damp, tp, nuet)

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    5. @Anon0800: I'd be inclined toward at least one faction medium, with perhaps a small in addition. Fit correctly, this ship is not grid or cap constrained. The medium does the same damage on the same cycle but at better range, and it only uses one high slot. You could then put a small in the second if you wished and get 50% more damage from the same two slots.

      @Anon0829: I agree the second fit is superior to the first. But I'd probably go active hardeners, med SB, small SB, small deadspace NOS, medium neut (if that fits, small if it doesn't). Fit correctly, this ship should be tougher than a Guardian and should be moving to longer range where neuts aren't as much of a worry. People keep forgetting the new NOSes are only helpful against ships with MORE cap; in this ship, it's going to be very hard to find one of those.

      (after a bit of work) How about this:
      [Tengu, E-War]
      1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
      Corpii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
      Centus A-Type Armor EM Hardener
      Centus A-Type Armor Explosive Hardener
      Centus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener

      Gistum B-Type 10MN Afterburner
      'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
      'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
      'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
      'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I
      'Hypnos' Ion Field ECM I

      Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb
      Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb
      Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
      Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu
      Auto Targeting System II

      Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
      Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
      Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

      Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
      Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
      Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
      Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
      Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

      25% tougher, 25% faster, infinitely more utility in the highs.

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    6. "But I'd probably go active hardeners"

      People will see them (via the effect) and neut you if you do (see neut Legions). People know that prickgus will have the worst tank, so they will get primaried if your jams are effective.

      You can't always stay at range as you suggest as you want to be in the position to give chase (which means being able to jump through the wormhole you are fighting on).

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    7. And then you get neuted out and die. Tank in wspace must be passive.

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    8. Assuming that is indeed a serious danger, I'd still rather have more resists in that last low than a second plate: the ANP, a DC, a RAH, anything other than a second plate whose only function is to slow you down and reduce the utility of the ship.

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    9. Not saying those aren't good alternatives but speed doesn't matter when brawling on a hole. You orbit, jam things, hope your logi keeps you up and jump out if it looks like it's going sideways.

      Neuts are ever present in WH brawls. Sadly there isn't much finesse to them - it's more of a slugfest these days.

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  5. You'd use a proteus or legion to damp if you were armour fitting - because both have much more natural tank.

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    1. re: Proteus: you'd think that was the case, yeah. But try it out and you'll find the Tengu out-performs it on tank.

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    2. I dont really believe that, since a proteus has a 50% armor bonus, more lows and more base armor.

      Comparing it to the tengu you linked above, you can get more tank on a proteus with only a t2 tank, and still fit triple mag stab.

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    3. I'm not sure it will. Here is an all passive fit that has a better tank (and better resists all around) than your active Tengu above (I imagine you'd have a similar fit swapping out jams for tank)

      [Proteus, All Damp Prot]
      1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
      Centum C-Type Energized EM Membrane
      Corpum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
      Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
      Coreli A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
      Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane

      Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
      Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
      Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
      Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script
      10MN Afterburner II

      Auto Targeting System II
      Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb
      Imperial Navy Medium EMP Smartbomb
      [empty high slot]
      Corpum A-Type Medium Nosferatu

      Medium Inverted Signal Field Projector I
      Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
      Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

      Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature
      Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
      Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
      Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
      Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor

      Cap stable as is, sort out the highs as appropriate - I originally had this fit with slightly less tank and blasters (for 540dps with faction antimatter as well as damps)

      There's another factor here - in that strat cruiser sensor strength is quite high - and that plus the ECM comp skills mean that you ideally want a signal distortion amp in the lows.

      So no. I don't get how you think the Tengu would outperform it on tank.

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  6. Jester, sorry I don't know how to contact you in game but is this worth a kill of the week?
    http://kb.spaceshipsamurai.com/index.php/kill_detail/37070/

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  7. i quite literally posted the story about the nyx in the comments

    our scout happened to be in system while the nyx jumped in, one jabber ping later he was dead

    jumped into system with an SC alt present, brain error 404

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