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Saturday, July 27, 2013

AT11 Day Three: The elimination bracket

Here's where things get a little exhausting for a lot of teams.

There are 22 matches tomorrow.  Things open with the final two matches from the "best of 16" in the winner's bracket (both of which should be really good matches).  But then things go into the loser's bracket with eight immediate matches.  By the time those matches begin, there are going to be 16 teams in the first "double slot", plus eight more teams waiting in the wings to take on the winners of each of those matches.

Short version: there are going to be a full 16 loser's bracket matches, with a full ten of those teams fighting twice tomorrow:
  • the losers of the first two matches of the day; plus,
  • the winners of all eight of the first round of loser's matches.
As a result, 16 teams will be gone before we finish out those first 18 matches of the day.  We'll be saying good-bye to a new team every match from 1530 tomorrow to 1945 tomorrow.  That's pretty brutal, particularly if you're one of the eight of ten teams that has to fight twice tomorrow just to stay alive.  This is the big reason Rote's been wanting to stay safely in the winner's bracket: for every match you have to fight in the winner's bracket, someone in the loser's bracket has to fight twice.

That becomes tiring in a big damn hurry, plus you're giving other teams an enormous amount of intel in terms of your pilots, ships, and comps.  You also don't have any time at all to research your opponents as they are thrown into your path in quick succession.  Whomever wins the loser's bracket will have taken a long road to do so.

So, two winner's bracket matches tomorrow, followed by sixteen loser's bracket matches, followed by four more winner's bracket matches, which includes ours.  That will take us to day five next Saturday with four undefeated teams in the winner's bracket and twelve teams in the loser's bracket.  64 were reduced to 48 last Sunday, further reduced to 32 today, and will be further reduced to 16 teams on Sunday.  Whew!

Matches I'm looking forward to tomorrow:
  • Match 87: Red vs Blue v. The Initiative.  We open with two good ones, of which this is one.  I'm rooting for RvB, but this should be a good close match.
  • Match 88: Agony Empire v. Pandemic Legion.  Both of these teams did well with reasonably tough opposition in their last matches, but this is the first truly hard match for both teams.  This is one Agony must win to prove themselves worthy of finals weekend, same as our Verge match was for us.  That said, I think PL will beat them.
  • Match 90: Circle-of-Two v. Curatores Veritatis Alliance.  This should be another close match and shouldn't be dull!
  • Match 91: Nulli Secunda v. Exiled Ones.  This one should also be entertaining.  I think Nulli will win this one in a close match.
  • Match 99: (Exiled Ones?) v. YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT.  Snigg will be in a foul mood after being pushed into the loser's bracket.  Should be interesting to see how they react.  I think it'll be Exiled facing Snigg, but if Nulli loses to them, this will be Nulli's second match of the day.
  • Match 101: (HUN Reloaded?) v. (The Initiative?).  HUN fights End of Life earlier in the day and should have an easy time of them.  This second match of the day will put them back on the road to the finals if they win it.  They'll face whomever loses the RvB/Initiative match.
  • Match 102: (Shadow Cartel?) v. (Agony Empire?).  Here's another double match for whomever loses the second match of the day.  If Shadow Cartel beat M.I.F earlier in the day -- seems likely -- then they'll face either Agony or PL here.  Whomever is in this match, I think this will be the second best match of the day.
  • Match 107: DarkSide v. HYDRA RELOADED.  I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to this one.  It's going to be one for the ages, I think!
  • Match 108: (Red vs. Blue?) v. (Pandemic Legion?).  And this one, if it happens, will be a rematch of a great AT10 match last year which Pandemic Legion won.
As you can see, lots of really good matches on the docket for tomorrow!  Can't wait!

Let's talk about some of the fun stuff that happened today.  Most amusing match of the day was this one between DarkSide and Darkness of Despair, a ten minute turtle fornication between Dominix-based tinker tanks.  It took nine minutes and 40 seconds for something to die:

I joked to CCP Veritas that Rote Kapelle wants to use one of our ship bans tomorrow to ban energy transfers, which make these kinds of matches possible.  DarkSide won it, 2 points to 1.  It was not a fun match to watch despite the expression on Shadoo's face here.  ;-)

Speaking of Shadoo, he got a lot of mileage today out of "it's hot in the commentary booth" jokes.  He kept comparing the booth to the inside of a volcano, the center of a desert, on the surface of the sun -- those lights were pretty bright -- all sorts of things.  And the jackets required in the studio were gone in the commentary booth by the end of the first match.  All the commentators did great jobs today, I thought!  This is the best year for commentary we've had in the Alliance Tournament and I don't just say that because I've got two alliance-mates doing the commentary.  Or at least not only because.  ;-)  Everyone commentating is manifestly knowledgeable, smart, well-spoken, and they're catching almost all of the nuances of each match and they're communicating them in a way that makes sense to both new players and vets alike.  Bravo, guys!  Next year's commentary team has a tough act to follow.

By the way, during the DarkSide/Darkness match, CCP Rise had the quote of the day though I didn't catch it exactly.  But after ten minutes of nothing followed by a few seconds of explosions, he quipped (paraphrased) "That match was a metaphor for EVE Online in general: you wait a long boring time for something to happen and your wait is finally finally rewarded by a few seconds of amazing excitement."  Ain't that the truth?

In the twitch.tv chat stream, there was this little bit of gold talking about Bacchanalian (a noted The Mittani twin) and Shadoo during their commentary:
ryu_ibarazaki :  Left guy is Giant Mittani, a professional wrestler from Japan.
soulsniper845 :  shadoo and mitani on commentary.... like watching the the devil and an imp plotting evil....

Congratulations to three new members of the "Bad Tournament Logistics Hall of Fame":
  • Vim repairs frigates, lets a Vindicator die.  Sicarius Draconis was stomped flat.
  • Alar Tangor reps Enyo, lets flagship Armageddon die.  RAZOR Alliance, likewise, gone.
  • grim996 keeps his own Oneiros alive for a long while.  Because that's the most important thing a logi pilot can do, amirite?  You want me to repair people?  Oh I guess I could do tha-- (interrupted by explosion)  Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork is stomped into the loser's bracket.
Enjoy your membership cards, guys!  Also, Congrats to Tankmug of Shadow Cartel, for "flying" an entire AT11 match without using his engines at all.  He might have MJD'ed once.  Other than that, stationary for the entire match, heh.

Finally, the new CREST interface into AT matches is pretty freakin' nifty.  If you're so inclined, check it out.  There's also a great informal CCP stats page that's great fun.

On to day four!


  1. Tankmug mjd'd twice :) once at the start after dropping gardes to get out enemy drone control range right onto the edge of the arena, and then again towards the end when they jumped near to him, not really any point in slowboating about as if you need to swap drones because they mjd to you then you can't pick them up again as you've slowboated away - if they come to you you want to be able to scoop and gtfo - only 3 sets of drones in a domi :)

    1. Heh, fair enough. I was just keeping an eye on his speed, which never went above 0 the whole match. Couldn't tell how many times he used his MJD because the camera never focused on him that I saw.

    2. I guess you could call it... traveling without moving?

    3. It was clear from the audio, started at 0, dropped and blinked

  2. Swigg (not snigg as you posted, snigg is in PL) are actually pretty happy with where we are right now. We came into ATXI not really expecting to win any matches, and instead won 2 straight up. This is our first year in the AT and we are extremely proud of the good work our pilots have put in so far.

  3. Aw, don't blame grim. Not his fault if we all decide to fly in different directions.

  4. About the Bacch-Mittens deal: There was this awkward moment yesterday (or was it last sunday? I have a shit memory really) where everybody was commentating the match and Bacch was silent shaking his head in approval of every commentary that was done by Soundwave, Dolan and Shadoo, and since it was my first time watching the stream I was wondering 'What the hell is Mittens doing there?' and all I kept thinking was 'Well, maybe they just want him to sprout some shady info about how his alliance cracked that other one once' until the man finally talked, 5 to 10 minutes after, and his voice tone sounded really not proper. And the insight he provided, although short in that occasion, cemented the belief that he really wasn't TheMittani. Silly Twilight Zone moments of there for me.

    Anyways, nice job on everyone's part, decently entertaining event to see overall.

  5. SCUM. deserves special mention, being currently undefeated in the Elimination Bracket after losing their first match.

    1. Pretty sure HUN Reloaded is right there with them, but good point.

    2. You're quite correct. I had checked on them, but mis-read the table.

      HUN Reloaded and SCUM. are both unbeaten except for their very first matches.

      So, are you expecting to lose to HUN in your next match? ;)

    3. Well, I hope not, but the odds certainly aren't in our favor...


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